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The Trump administration has, for the first time ever, built a searchable national citizenship data system.

The tool, which is being rolled out in phases, is designed to be used by state and local election officials to give them an easier way to ensure only citizens are voting. But it was developed rapidly without a public process, and some of those officials are already worrying about what else it could be used for.

NPR is the first news organization to report the details of the new system.

For decades, voting officials have noted that there was no national citizenship list to compare their state lists to, so to verify citizenship for their voters, they either needed to ask people to provide a birth certificate or a passport — something that could disenfranchise millions — or use a complex patchwork of disparate data sources.

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[–] Snowies@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 hours ago

Don’t you have to register to vote?…

Illegal immigrants don’t even have social security numbers…

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Are the illegals voting in elections in the room with us right now?

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 17 points 20 hours ago

look at which ones are voting democrats are voting independant, and target those areas for voter suppression, its simple as that.

[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world 15 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

There was talk of establishing a national ID in the 90s but republicans revolted saying it would be the number of the beast. I guess their principles on the matter depend on whether the beast in question is Trump or Clinton. There would definitely be scope creep for such an ID, much like the SSN. I say just make it a national ID and eliminate the need to register to vote.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago

They were against the Beast because they didn't know they'd agree with his policies.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 15 points 23 hours ago

Given that US citizens are getting immigration court notices and even getting deported, I’m sure this is a very accurate and trustworthy system.

We are in the dumbest timeline.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 10 points 22 hours ago

Nothing dystopian about this, nope. JFC what an awful time to exist in.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 34 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Why this is unneeded

Citizenship is already required to vote in state and federal elections. Every state currently maintains its own voter rolls. These voter rolls are administered at the state level and how citizenship is proved occurs according to state laws.

Why this is bad

This database represents a breach of state autonomy to administer their elections.
Some localities do not require citizenship to vote. This database could disenfranchise voters in those localities.
This represents a huge target for hackers, and given that every municipality will have access to it, there are a lot of potential ways in which it could be compromised or manipulated. The federal government is rife with inaccurate information, and is often understaffed to address the issue. These issues can and will disenfranchise voters. States and municipalities are better equipped to handle their voter rolls.

How this will be abused

This database will be used to both verify citizenship, and for election officials to upload who is registered to vote in a given electoral area. This will lead to its usage to disqualify people who are registered in multiple areas. If - 31 days before an election, someone uploads a list of conservative or liberal voters from a purple area such as Florida or Ohio to the rolls of another state using hacked credentials, then it’s very possible those people will be disqualified from voting and may not know until they try to cast their ballot - shifting the balance of the election.
With the Supreme Court recently discarding birthright citizenship without clarifying who qualifies for citizenship, a sufficiently malicious actor could ensnarl the electoral and legal system with arbitrary claims that people’s parents were not U.S. citizens.
Invariably, the data from this will be used to stalk hapless people — either by electoral workers, or by anyone, once it has been hacked.
And, speculatively - what happens if the scope of this morphs to a ‘voter eligibility’ database, where it tries to ascertain if someone is eligible to vote on additional criterion, such as criminal history? Will it be plagued with errors, such as not registering expunged records, or applying one state’s laws to another?

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Citizenship is already required to vote in state [...] elections.

This is incorrect. The law you think you're referencing by this is only applicable to Federal positions. Several states explicitly allow non-citizen voting in local elections. Many have no laws on the books at all addressing it. Only 15 states explicitly prohibit non-citizen voting for local positions.

https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_permitting_noncitizens_to_vote_in_the_United_States

This fact alone should mandate that the federal level maintains their own registrations. The State and Federal levels have different applicable voter rolls because the state doesn't have the same requirements as the federal elections.

Edit: Wrong word.

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Does an independent civillian organization maintain this list? Or is the servers gonna be located at trump tower and orange fuckface just deleted anyone with dark skin tone. from the "citizen" list?

(Rhetorical question, we all know the real answer lol)

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I see nothing wrong with making sure people who vote are citizens, what I object to is kicking actual citizens off the voting roles because they're not Republicans.

[–] SuperCub@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with this proposal, however, if we know one thing about this regime, it's that they will use anything as a political tool for their advantage. So, it's very likely that Trump uses this project as an avenue to revoke the citizenship of his perceived political enemies. It's probably a good idea to get a passport issued before this gets started so it's at least a little bit harder for them to claim you aren't a citizen.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

You should absolutely see something wrong. This is solving a problem that doesn't exist, which means it's actually trying to solve a different "problem", namely that minorities get to vote.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 80 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is it built on top of a Palantir database?

My money's on it

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago

no no, it's an input to a Palantir database

[–] Mvlad88@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Person from outside the US here. Please explain me why this is a problem?

In the EU only citizens can vote in national elections, for local elections non-citizens can vote only if they are residents.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

You already can’t vote if you’re not a citizen. There are voter rolls and you get checked off when you go vote.

This almost certainly will be used to deport people without going through due process.

[–] warbond@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think in most cases where this administration seems to have a good idea it's important to remember that it's likely designed to keep them in power.

A national database that the trump admin controls will 100% be exploited for their own gain, just like every other aspect of government is being exploited for their gain now.

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[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (10 children)

What happens if someone is illegitimately removed from this database? How can you show whether it was a glitch, or deliberate? How do you know if the information they have about you is even right, or get it changed if you need to? Where's the accountability?

See the UK Post Office accounting scandal, in which a persistent computer error went unfixed for decades and caused hundreds of post office employees to be fired and dragged through courts for corruption that never happened. A good chunk of them committed suicide. The government and the software company both knew about the bug causing the issue, too, but prosecutions continued. "If the computer says it, it must be right", sort of danger.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

See the UK Post Office accounting scandal, in which a persistent computer error went unfixed for decades and caused hundreds of post office employees to be fired and dragged through courts for corruption that never happened. A good chunk of them committed suicide.

The database is the least important part of the system: the organizational structure, rules, and procedures are way more important, because they actively help or harm people.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

The database is the backbone of them being able to hurt or harm so I'd say it's pretty important. Here's the other problem though. The federal government under Trump is having a really difficult time protecting the personal identifiable information of the citizens. Not only have they allowed private companies to access that data (palantir etc), but they are also having a lot of difficulties with cyber attacks. Part of the reason those cyber attacks haven't been as effective as they could be is because the data isn't localized in one place. Now that's exactly what they're trying to do with this.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a really weird way of looking at it. Without the database, there's no central ledger to consult as to whether or not you're legally a person. Like @atrielienz@lemmy.world said:

The database is the backbone of them being able to hurt or harm

Without that starting point, "the organizational structure, rules, and procedures" that rely on the data from the database are impotent.

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[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it -2 points 20 hours ago

What happens if someone is illegitimately removed from this database?

That the someone cannot vote. But you can design system resilient to this.

How can you show whether it was a glitch, or deliberate?

Paper trail.

How do you know if the information they have about you is even right, or get it changed if you need to?

You check it. I mean, when I ask for a document I expect to receive it. And I check if it is correct, after all human error can happen anyway.

Where’s the accountability?

Every document from the state (any level) I have has a signature that indicate who is ultimately accountable for it.

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[–] PTSDwarrior@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago

Because they want to use the data for more nefarious purposes to displace non-white American voters.

[–] voytrekk@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The US is generally the same where some local elections allow non-citizen residents to vote for local issues.

The issue with this is was not created publicly. We don't know what kind of data is being uses to determine someone's status. If someone is private enough to not have any data collected by its source, then they could be denied voting rights despite being legally able to vote.

It also could end up bring used as the sole source for verifying someone's status, despite having documents to prove otherwise.

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

It's not a problem. It's fair to assume anything the Trump administration does is nefarious.

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[–] KingCake_Baby@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

There is no evidence of voter fraud from people who actually vote. This is blatant government overreach to secure illegitimate votes, "if they're in the system, then they can vote."

This system will only lead to inflation of "bot" or fake identities to inflate voter numbers for any particular candidate polling.

[–] Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So if you vote against him, you lose citizenship and he gets 100% of the votes?

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Where I live we have something called the electoral roll, which is a nationwide database of registered voters.

It's weird the states don't also have this already.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 20 points 1 day ago

Don't make the mistake of thinking this is a legitimate implementation of such a system. It will absolutely be intentionally flawed in ways that allow the disenfranchisement of millions of Americans citizens. That's 100% what always happens with Republican initiatives to "protect" elections. It will be made trivial to "accidentally" remove legitimate voter registrations, and a labyrinthian bureaucratic process to correct them.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm fairly sure we already do, but they are administered state by state, and not centralized.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it is called voter rolls.

[–] pheonixdown@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

So, states already have their list of registered voters, this is about culling people from that list the state doesn't think should really be there (but really specifically those supporting the opposition of the party in power, typically Republicans removing minority groups).

The reason removing people is a real thing that needs to happen is that people aren't permanent citizens of a state, they're just residents, and what state they are a resident of for voting purposes is extremely easy to change, and doesn't really require notifying the state you're leaving, just the one you now want to be a resident of.

The reason this specific thing is bullshit is that every time anyone does any kind of check for non-citizens voting, it's basically non-existent. Instead, they're going to use the pretense of checking citizenship to check other information, which they'll selectively find other discrepancies in to remove people who are registered, but are likely to support their opposition. Likely with little time before an election, so hopefully they don't find out until it's too late or other frictions cause them to forgo voting voluntarily.

[–] anachrohack@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

This must be opposed by all state authorities

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