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[–] Zweiblum@feddit.org 6 points 8 hours ago

Ah its nice to see lemmy grow. Now we can have fedderated senseless screaming matches just like the big social networks.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 13 hours ago

wow this one rustled some jimmies

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Wasn't the great leap forward by Mao the biggest mass murder in world history, according to historians not governments?

Doesn't whitewashing that amount to Holocaust denial level cultural blindness?

I know nothing, quick Google search.

[–] Thebigguy@lemmy.ml 1 points 53 minutes ago* (last edited 46 minutes ago)

Yeah lots of people died but the cultural revolution and Great Leap Forward but it has been over for 50 years now, meanwhile how many millions of people have had their lives ruined by US sanctions or wars in the last 70 years? Imperial countries export their misery so that people like you and me can live nice comfortable lives. Meanwhile we point at other countries who were deliberately impoverished for our benefit. When leaders in those countries try to take back their wealth they’re assassinated, when trade unionists try to organise to give the workers better rights they’re tortured and then assassinated. At least the Great Leap Forward only negatively impacted Chinese people, meanwhile you get to sit smugly on your computer or phone and eat your chocolate bar that was built or farmed with the blood of poor labourers in Africa and when those poor people try to rise up to better their conditions our governments and their fascist lackeys will be there in minutes killing them for you so you can keep getting cheap treats.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

In short, no, that was cold war propaganda. These intro articles get into some of the details of the Mao era:

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I could find books that say the Nazis are great guys too. Doesn't make it right.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Getting people to read even short articles is impossible.

Just be honest with yourself any say that you're not looking to challenge your orientalist biases, that you just want things to confirm them.

The communists were the ones who defeated fascism in ww2, Mao being one of the most important leaders in that fight against japanese fascism. To equate Mao with nazis or the axis powers, who they shed so much blood to defeat, is sickening.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

And you are impartial, saying someone you do not know has an "orientalist" bias. Throwing out pejorative words, linking to lengthy fringe arguments like a Trump supporter telling me to watch Hannity.

I see you're defending your heroes by parsing words and cherry-picking books and news and rallying your arguments (and propaganda) to defend them. I expected nothing less from you; it's exactly the same thing a Trump supporter would do.

Carry on, comrade. Enjoy yourself. You have the evangelistic fervor of a Baptist preacher.

[–] chaos@beehaw.org -3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

ITT: people saying "the US and China both seem bad" and being told that they obviously just want to kiss America square on the lips because China has never done anything bad ever

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 hours ago

Lazy strawman

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 27 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

For all the orientalists below:

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[–] ter_maxima@jlai.lu 38 points 22 hours ago (8 children)

China bad. US bad. Russia bad.

All three can be true at the same time. (And they are)

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 hours ago

Don't forget, most of the countries in Europe bad also. Oh, and Japan very bad at times.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 16 points 20 hours ago (8 children)
[–] ter_maxima@jlai.lu 8 points 20 hours ago (12 children)

Bold of you to assume I am American, did you not check the instance I am from ?

Yes, there are many lies about China, but don't get stuck in second opinion syndrome. China is both worse and better than you know.

The fact the government lies about China, while China is still bad behind the scenes, can both be true. During the cold war, both sides accused the other of being evil, and both were right.

Don't let anyone who puts a "communist" sticker on their own forehead fool you into supporting them.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 11 points 21 hours ago (9 children)

"The US is bad, but I believe everything it says about its enemies without question"

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