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[–] ter_maxima@jlai.lu 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bold of you to assume I am American, did you not check the instance I am from ?

Yes, there are many lies about China, but don't get stuck in second opinion syndrome. China is both worse and better than you know.

The fact the government lies about China, while China is still bad behind the scenes, can both be true. During the cold war, both sides accused the other of being evil, and both were right.

Don't let anyone who puts a "communist" sticker on their own forehead fool you into supporting them.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The fact the government lies about China, while China is still bad behind the scenes, can both be true.

This is just vague-posting unless you actually link some credible china-bad studies that aren't sourced from British or US state media.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

some credible china-bad studies that aren’t sourced from British or US state media.

University of Limpopo, South Africa, on China neocolonising Africa - https://www.jstor.org/stable/27159668. Is that credible enough for you?

If not, is there a source that you would call credible - and if it exists, what is it?

Note: I hope I don't come as aggressive, I was trying to be succinct.

[–] germanixx@lemmings.world 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Sorry is China cutting people hand because they didn't pick up their quota of rubber for the day? Ah that's right, it was Belgium.

Quit downplaying the horror of real colonisation.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

downplaying

Where am I doing that?

Sorry is China cutting people hand

This is literally whataboutism.

Was Leopold bloody years of terror vastly worse? Yes. Who is arguing with that? Is China benevolent and non exploitative? The African studies done by locals tend to say no.

[–] germanixx@lemmings.world 1 points 3 hours ago

StudieS? You linked one, idiot

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I can't read that as it's paywalled. Anyway here's a lot of links about this topic, several from African leaders and diplomats on the difference between Chinese trade and development in Africa and actual imperialism as practiced by western countries:

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

It's not paywalled. I think you didn't even bother to click "read full article" or whatever the button name is. They might ask you to register witb a free account.

If you want to use other people opinions as an argument, I'm going to ask you for what you asked for - studies. Preferably published in journals, not essays by socials celebrities like Caitlin Johnstone, nor articles in Chinese newspapers, nor Reddit. And that's because a deluge of weak sources is worthless - that's how US propaganda works and enforces itself.

Extra points if the studies are not from China or it's close Allies, just so that you have exactly the same requirements as the ones you asked for.

Can be paywalled.

Edit: I highly recommend you read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

[–] germanixx@lemmings.world 3 points 4 hours ago

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/290551890_Genocide_and_Mass_Violence_in_the_%27Heart_of_Darkness%27_Africa_in_the_Colonial_Period

Say what you want about China but they aren't out there enslaving the population and raping women. At worth they're doing what the FMI is doing with their debt trap. How dare you compare that shit with real life violence