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Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.

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[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 6 points 29 minutes ago (1 children)

Here's the full list of House Democrats who voted to table the impeachment articles.

Pete Aguilar (California)
Gabe Amo (Rhode Island)
Jake Auchincloss (Massachusetts)
Wesley Bell (Missouri)
Ami Bera (California)
Don Beyer (Virginia)
Sanford Bishop (Georgia)
Julia Brownley (California)
Nikki Budzinski (Illinois)
Janelle Bynum (Oregon)
Salud Carbajal (California)
Andre Carson (Indiana)
Ed Case (Hawaii)
Sean Casten (Illinois)
Kathy Castor (Florida)
Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick (Florida)
Katherine Clark (Massachusetts)
Emanuel Cleaver (Missouri)
Jim Clyburn (South Carolina)
Herb Conaway (New Jersey)
Lou Correa (California)
Jim Costa (California)
Joe Courtney (Connecticut)
Angie Craig (Minnesota)
Jason Crow (Colorado)
Henry Cuellar (Texas)
Sharice Davids (Kansas)
Don Davis (North Carolina)
Madeleine Dean (Pennsylvania)
Rosa DeLauro (Connecticut)
Suzan DelBene (Washington)
Chris Deluzio (Pennsylvania)
Debbie Dingell (Michigan)
Sarah Elfreth (Maryland)
Cleo Fields (Louisiana)
Shomari Figures (Alabama)
Lizzie Fletcher (Texas)
Bill Foster (Illinois)
Lois Frankel (Florida)
Laura Gillen (New York)
Jared Golden (Maine)
Dan Goldman (New York)
Vicente Gonzalez (Texas)
Maggie Goodlander (New Hampshire)
Josh Gottheimer (New Jersey)
Adam Gray (California)
Josh Harder (California)
Jim Himes (Connecticut)
Steven Horsford (Nevada)
Chrissy Houlahan (Pennsylvania)
Steny Hoyer (Maryland)
Val Hoyle (Oregon)
Hakeem Jeffries (New York)
Julie Johnson (Texas)
Marcy Kaptur (Ohio)
Bill Keating (Massachusetts)
Timothy Kennedy (New York)
Ro Khanna (California)
Greg Landsman (Ohio)
Rick Larsen (Washington)
John Larson (Connecticut)
George Latimer (New York)
Susie Lee (Nevada)
Mike Levin (California)
Sam Liccardo (California)
Ted Lieu (California)
Zoe Lofgren (California)
Stephen Lynch (Massachusetts)
Seth Magaziner (Rhode Island)
John Mannion (New York)
Lucy McBath (Georgia)
Sarah McBride (Delaware)
April McClain Delaney (Maryland)
Jennifer McClellan (Virginia)
Betty McCollum (Minnesota)
Kristen McDonald Rivet (Michigan)
Morgan McGarvey (Kentucky)
Gregory Meeks (New York)
Grace Meng (New York)
Kweisi Mfume (Maryland)
Joe Morelle (New York)
Kelly Morrison (Minnesota)
Jared Moskowitz (Florida)
Seth Moulton (Massachusetts)
Frank Mrvan (Indiana)
Richard Neal (Massachusetts)
Joe Neguse (Colorado)
Johnny Olszewski (Maryland)
Frank Pallone (New Jersey)
Jimmy Panetta (California)
Chris Pappas (New Hampshire)
Nancy Pelosi (California)
Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Washington)
Scott Peters (California)
Brittany Pettersen (Colorado)
Nellie Pou (New Jersey)
Mike Quigley (Illinois)
Jamie Raskin (Maryland)
Josh Riley (New York)
Deborah Ross (North Carolina)
Pat Ryan (New York)
Andrea Salinas (Oregon)
Mary Gay Scanlon (Pennsylvania)
Brad Schneider (Illinois)
Hillary Scholten (Michigan)
Kim Schrier (Washington)
Bobby Scott (Virginia)
Terri Sewell (Alabama)
Adam Smith (Washington)
Eric Sorensen (Illinois)
Darren Soto (Florida)
Greg Stanton (Arizona)
Haley Stevens (Michigan)
Marilyn Strickland (Washington)
Suhas Subramanyam (Virginia)
Tom Suozzi (New York)
Emilia Sykes (Ohio)
Paul Tonko (New York)
Ritchie Torres (New York)
Lori Trahan (Massachusetts)
Derek Tran (California)
Lauren Underwood (Illinois)
Juan Vargas (California)
Gabe Vasquez (New Mexico)
Marc Veasey (Texas)
Eugene Vindman (Virginia)
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
George Whitesides (California)
[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 1 points 2 minutes ago

Ro Khanna, Hakeem Jeffries and of course Nancy Pelosi.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 9 points 59 minutes ago

Nobody who said "blue no matter who" in 2024 is allowed to say "what the actual fuck" at this.

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 1 points 15 minutes ago

I knew both sides were bad, but I didn't realize the rot was infested this badly.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 2 points 42 minutes ago

Liberals are against every war except the current one.

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 24 points 2 hours ago

Jesus McFucking Christ.

[–] Buske@lemmy.world 38 points 3 hours ago

Welp There it is, on record, Both sides are the same.

[–] insomniac@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Really disappointed in my Congress woman, Sarah Elfreth. I wrote her an email and she responded with basically “that’s what they told me to do!”

[–] Manalith@midwest.social 12 points 1 hour ago

Gotta share a screenshot of that email if it actually gives any detail, basically confirming the system rigging and complacency from members of said system, send it to some independent journalist or something.

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 hours ago

The idea that our government is a representative democracy is a farce. The machine has too much inertia, too much power and money

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 26 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Still "both sides are not the same"? Even if Democrats have slight majority in both or either houses, they still dilute policies to appease the fascists from stonewalling. Meanwhile, the fascists legislate every unspeakable evil policies and Democrats don't even try to resist as opposition.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Well yes but they only betray everything we stand for because we didn't fall in line and back them hard enough. If we'd just licked their boots better, they would gave broken from all their precious behavior!

So them viciously betraying you to the fascists is your fault actually.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 30 points 3 hours ago

Oh yeah, and all of these 128 Democrats will be very disappointed about something evil that the chertondoes later and "wish they would have voted differently"

Fuck all of them

[–] meangreenbeans@lemmy.world 31 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

Democrat and republican parties are the same party.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 2 points 44 minutes ago

Mostly when it comes to Israel !

[–] ef9357@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago

Yep, 2 wings, 1 bird.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 9 points 3 hours ago

there are a ratchet.

one slides smoothly towards fascism, the other one blocks and reform to fix the slide to fascism.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 55 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

128 democrats are actually Republicans,

America is slowly learning both sides have the same goals.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Only because you didn't vote for them! If you had voted dir them they would have behaved totally differently!!1!

Unlike all the other times you did vote for themand they did this exact same shit. this one's different, don't be such a child. If you don't fall in line and lick the boot of the liberal co-conspirators, it will be entirely your fault when ice shows up to take you to the camps.

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[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Huh?! But it's clear grounds for impeachment! I hope everyone starts flooding their inboxes and phone lines...

[–] Stabbitha@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

I'm confused as to what's different about this situation? Why is this an impeachable offense, but Biden bombing Yemen wasn't? Or Trump 1.0 bombing Syria? Or Obama bombing and drone striking all sorts of places that weren't Iraq or Afghanistan?

Nobody tried to impeach a president before for taking unilateral non-Congressional-approved military actions, so I'm not clear on what makes this different?

[–] Floon@lemmy.ml 82 points 5 hours ago

128 Democrats join House Republicans to defend fascist dictator

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Well, obviously. Did everyone just collectively forget that the constitution allows for a president to take military action without congressional approval for 90 days? What he did was clearly the wrong move, but I'm pretty sure it's constitutional. Honestly, the problem is the constitution itself.

[–] immutable@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

The constitution allows for no such thing. The constitution is pretty crystal clear that only the congress can declare war.

The congress passed a law saying the president can take military action that then comes under review by the congress. The President can do that without a declaration of war.

This power the president has is one granted by the legislature not by the constitution.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 3 points 38 minutes ago

Okay, so I was wrong about the particulars. But, the president does have the power to take military actions. Just like he did.

[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Rep Paul Tonko is one of the NY reps that voted no to impeach. I work 2 blocks from his office and plan to spend my lunch hour every day demonstrating in front of his Albany office. I already called his office to bitch. I've got printed letters that say, "Congratulations, you're a fascist collaborator." Going to be stuffing those in envelopes with glitter and putting one in the mail every single day. Give me your best for my protest signs.

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 3 points 55 minutes ago

Explicitly request a response in your letters.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 5 points 2 hours ago

Give me your best for my protest signs.

I think "Rep Paul Tonko is a fascist collaborator" works pretty good.

[–] AlexLost@lemm.ee 11 points 4 hours ago

Sounds like some independents are about to be entering office. The people need to stick it to these paid traitors. They get paid a fuckton more than you with your tax dollars and then take money from special interest groups on top of that to fuck you over some more. Are you getting your money's worth America? Get these assholes out of office and put in some actual difference makers. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves watching what the country has become. Shame on all of you. Kick these losers to the curb.

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 30 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Called it. People need to set their expectations way lower so they aren't so pissed off about the lack of action from this party. They should also read up on the legal precedents that were going to sink these articles to begin with. Democrats would have a much better chance to impeach some of the Donvict's shitty cabinet members, (Pete Hegseth, ICE Barbie, RFK, DOGE) for clearly impeachable offenses, but decided to swan dive into an empty concrete pool. So there is still no sound strategy from the democrats on how to dismantle this nightmare and only pissing the public off with limp wristed slaps.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 27 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe we shouldn't lower our expectations and instead remove everyone from the Democratic party that doesn't meet out expectations.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Wow, you know, this is why the fascists are in power. You fucking commies are the same as the fascists, with your childish expectation of not being stabbed in the back literally every time you turn your back fron your chosen aristocrats for a single second.

You know, maybe, if you people had just fallen in line and betrayed everything you ever stood for and also maybe let us murder a whole bunch of you and send sone of you to the presidential rape dungeons, the dems could have behaved entirely unlike they have at literally any point in living memory, and gently chastised the fascists. But you didn't, you threw a fit instead of voting for kamala 'girlboss' harris, so now we're all going to die, and im going to feel so smug as i watch ICE take you to the concentration camp, knowing that I'm an entire paragraph down in that poem.

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