There is certainly room for more direct assistance to Ukraine. Easy examples include establishing air supremacy over the country and performing airstrikes on invaders inside Ukraine.
this post was submitted on 23 Jun 2025
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Do note that "establishing a no-fly zone" means you'll need planes over the border. Which means you'll need to bomb the shit out of every AA missile in Russia. Which means you'll need to destroy every airfield as well, because their planes will defend their AA missile launchers.
I mean, I'm all for it, but it's important to note that the Libya no-fly zone was established mostly through bombing the shit out of Libya, not through air-to-air engagements. Russia will be worse.
I don't get it, didn't Russia do exactly what the US is doing a preventive bombarding? Is today opposite day?
You do realise Iran is direclty supplying weapons to Russia that are used against Ukraine. Did you really expect for Ukraine to side with Iran here? It seems a lot of people are forgetting what a shitty country Iran actually is ...
Israel also supplied Drones to Russia after the Crimea invasion, didn't join sanctions and as reported by an Ukrainian official demanded Ukraine to surrender behind closed doors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Russia_relations
Now with the US getting itself dragged into another Iraq style war by Israel, Ukraine could suffer in two major ways:
- Western military aid will be cut short in favor of Israel and US
- The rising energy prices will lead to Russia's strained warchest to replenish and could even lead to EU countries easing sanctions to buy oil and gas from Russia again.
Ukraine is being played by the US and Israel but either plays along because Zelensky is high on Zionism or because Ukraine by now is owned by the US and he has to say everything Trump wants him to say. Either way this is bad for the Ukrainian people and it is delusional to think that anyone in the West would feel emboldened now to bomb Russia.
I'll say most Ukrainians wish both sides "best of luck" (source: I'm Ukrainian) - to Israel because they supplied Lancet and Orlan technologies to Russia, to Iran because they supplied Shaheds and ballistic missiles to Russia, so these things are what directly impacted our lives and made them much worse.
As for why Zelensky sings praises for Taco Don from time to time - I don't believe that latter one can be swayed to help Ukraine (and Zelensky probably doesn't believe that too) but there's still Congress, that is somewhat cooperative from time to time, and we really need these sanctions that Taco Don now tries to delay and dilute.
Israel also supplied Drones to Russia after the Crimea invasion, didn't join sanctions and as reported by an Ukrainian official demanded Ukraine to surrender behind closed doors.
This is clear whataboutism. Iran and Israel can both be bad. Ukraine wants max pressure on the Russian war machine. So they cheer the weakening of a Russian military supplier. They also probably figure that if America is itching to fight again, it might as well help them out. They also probably sense the news cycle further shifting away from Ukraine and are trying to bring themselves into the conversation.
Israel started the attacks on Iran and the US joined in. The US diverted 20,000 anti drone missiles from Ukraine to the region instead. Zelensky already remarked that this will lead to more losses. Zelensky is playing in a game that is set to make Ukraine loose even more and it is crucial to understand that Israel is not a friend of Ukraine and will not leave any opportunity for its own benefit, no matter the cost for Ukraine.
“Without the help of the United States, we’ll have more losses,” Zelenskyy said in televised remarks.
More Ukraine-bound military aid may now be diverted to Israel, and the Kremlin “counts on this scenario”, analyst Smagin said.
This possible diversion already alarms Ukraine’s top brass.
Arms that were “made for Ukraine will go to the Middle East, so there are no illusions about it”, Lieutenant General Ihor Romanenko, former deputy head of Ukraine’s general staff of armed forces, told Al Jazeera.
If Tehran rejects Trump’s “ultimate ultimatum” to work out a peace deal, Washington’s attention to Iran and Israel may spell disaster for Kyiv.
“Undoubtedly, the US’s refocusing on the Middle East and Iran is a geopolitical catastrophe for us; there’s nothing to argue about,” Kyiv-based analyst Aleksey Kuschch told Al Jazeera.
That was 11 year ago... Things change, and will change again. When someone is at war you have to look for the help you can get now, not how things were or will be. Stalin was worse than Hitler, but the US supported Stalin in WWII because Hitler was attacking.
That's a really bad take.
Yes, people on previously Soviet-occupied territories that were occupied by Germans in WW2 often first met nazis with flowers as liberators, and even captured Soviet generals would at first slip some words that were quite critical of Soviet leadership.
But, as time passed on, the attitudes changed, so there was increase in guerilla activity and also some initial collaborators became rebels. That is simply because people started realizing how nazis were worse than anything.
it is possible for two opposing sides to be evil. If one evil is oppressing you that is the one you fight against but that doesn't mean you support the other. It is even possible for the worse evil to not oppress you as much.
This whole world war 3 bullshittery is hurting my brain
I keep wondering what our "Archduke Ferdinand" event will be, or if it has already happened.
preventive bombarding
Are you calling bombing and terrorizing of Ukrainian civilians for "preventive bombarding" ?
That is what Russia is calling its actions in Ukraine and your description of bombing and terrorizing Civilians both is true for Israel/US genocide in Gaza and the recent attacks on Iran, which have killed hundred of Civilians and hit hospitals, schools, journalists...
Ukraines government is either so backed against the wall or stupid to embrace these actions by Israel and the US, by which it legitimizes similar attacks on Ukrainian civilians.
But Ukraine is not "part of the club". Before the fullscale Russian invasion a lot of western sentiment was basically Ukraine being the same as Russia and part of "the other". And when the war eventually ends, the same will happen again quickly. The sad reality is that Ukraine has very little "friends" on the geopolitical stage.
So far I don't think the US strikes specifically on Iran are known to have killed or even wounded anyone, let alone civilians, nor hit hospitals or schools, right?
The US is providing weapons and intelligence for Israel to have targeted these places in Iran though. Furthermore the US is defending Israel against Iranian counterattacks so i would not distinguish the US from Israel in terms of responsibility.
Yeah but I don't think anyone was referring to Israel's actions as the US doing "preventative bombing"?
Even if they did kill someone it would be someone working in someway with nuclear materials. (including the person who cleans the bathroom there though)
Setting aside that they hit residential areas, what is that supposed to prove? Are scientists now valid military targets? Should Iran bomb Tel Aviv University? Are nuclear power plants now fair game in war?
I'm referring to the US, not Isreal. AFAIK the US only hit nuclear facilities, and anyone who would have died there was thus working in a nuclear facility.
Though Iran has been bombing Isreal residential areas for a long time - not directly, but they have been funding all the groups who have been sending bombs, morters, and everything else. Iran just deserves a share of the blame for Gaza genocide as if they were not enabling the attacks, Isreal would not be as interested in such attacks. (how much is not knowable, but there is a share for sure)
and anyone who would have died there was thus working in a nuclear facility.
Okay, and? To repeat myself, are scientists now valid military targets? Should Iran bomb Tel Aviv University? Are nuclear power plants fair game in war?
Iran just deserves a share of the blame for Gaza genocide as if they were not enabling the attacks, Isreal would not be as interested in such attacks.
That... is completely false. Like have you seen what they're doing to the pretty much completely submissive West Bank? All pretense of Israel acting in self-defense is pure fiction. Palestinians have the right to resist Israeli oppression by whatever means necessary.
Factories making military equipment have always been valid targets. Obviously I can't know for sure every site was working on nuclear weapons, but those that were are fair targets as far as I know.
Whether or not it was a good move is an entirely different thing though.
That is what Russia was calling it from the start.
I sure hope we prevent bomb some specific countries that also have current nuclear capabilities and play around in submarines and other shit.