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Last night was the first night in more than a month that my best friend and I hung out. It was for her 40th birthday. For background, everyone but me in our friend group is Vietnamese. So when people started showing up, they spoke Vietnamese only. This is fine, I get it. They’d rather speak their mother tongue around me. Even if that means I don’t understand a word anyone is saying. I’ve brought this up to her, only for her to turn it around me as if somehow it is my fault for not joining a conversation that I have no frame of reference to. Whatever, it is what it is.

I’ve supported her through her divorce. I’ve been the only one to listen when she cried, to offer her an ear time and time again when she told me about how bad it was for her. To offer her support of what to do in the steps she needed to take to file and etcetera.

But tonight was too much.

They all showed up, and as usual talked only Vietnamese, which again I don’t understand. But the moment her motherfucking new boyfriend, an American guy, showed up, they all switched to English. It was like magic! Wow, suddenly everybody can talk English—it was amazing! So somehow when I am with the group, I need to be understanding because one or two people don’t speak English well. But when that motherfucker showed up, they all made the fucking effort to try, for him. He didn’t even try to know me past “what’s up?” Clearly she has not told him how close her and I were (or was, now). I feel betrayed. I feel hurt. And above all I feel like a fool for listening to her bullshit excuses why they talk the way they do, when some motherfucker she has known for two months shows up and it’s suddenly English. Fuck that. I’m tired of being bored, and I see the fucking hypocrisy now. I hope this is worth it for her.

I’m happy that she found someone who makes her happy. I am devastated that it comes at the cost of our friendship. He can eat shit and walk into traffic for all I care. I love her like the big sis she has been to me, but last night, I reached my motherfucking limit on bullshit I can deal with.

I’ve texted her as much, we’ll see what she has to say. Seriously, I feel so unimportant to a friend group that was somehow so happy to see me? If I was important at all, they would speak at least a little English, so I could understand, so I could join in on the conversation. But they don’t. Fuck all of them. I’d rather be alone than sit there for hours being bored again. My only wish is that no one parked behind me, so I could pretend to have a reason to go home, rather than staying the night at her brothers house. I fucking hate this. I wish that I had my old best friend back, the one who made sure I understood what was going on. The one that sat near me and made sure I was having a good time too. She doesn’t even try anymore. People change, it’s life. I just need to accept this and move on.

Happy fucking birthday, Mandy.

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[–] The_v@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (2 children)

FYI - What you just experienced is cultural sexism. It's extremely common in many cultures around the world.

It used to drive my coworkers nuts when we were traveling internationally. They would enter a meeting and everyone would still be speaking their native language. I would enter a few minutes later and everyone would switch.

The only place they didn't switch languages at all was France. They don't give a fuck equally.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What you just experienced is cultural sexism. It’s extremely common in many cultures around the world.

Holy shit so much this. It's fucking bullshit and batshit insane in modern times.

My brother-in-law's mother is one of these kinds of people, and very much treats her two grandsons like they're divinity, and 6 granddaughters like they're his slaves.

My wife and I live next to them and since I don't like interacting with their family, it took me awhile to notice.

Oldest son gets preferential treatment on everything, gets expensive shit for every present giving holiday, and even the way she talks to him is like she's afraid she will upset him and is afraid he's not being treated the way she thinks he deserves.

Youngest son gets next preference, but is mentally around 2 or 3 so she doesn't do much besides treat him like a royal baby. Like 0-6month old baby.

All the daughters get cheap dolls or makeup for holidays. They are expected to be seen and not heard when she's there. Anything that needs done they are expected to do even if it's something the adult watching them should be handling.

A couple weeks ago I was talking to the oldest daughter about her art class when the oldest son started yelling about how he was thirsty.

Grandma comes over and starts interrupting the conversation asking why she's not going to get him some water.

I just interrupted her with a "we are in the middle of a conversation. Just be cause YOUR idea of respect is extremely warped doesn't mean the rest of us have to tolerate it. He's 12, he can get his own damn glass of water. If you don't like that, get it yourself, but you WILL NOT interrupt us again unless you want to find out just how disrespectful my wife and I can be."

I don't know what she said in response because I was making an effort to ignore her and say something about the art class.

I did end up sending a message to their parents about the encounter with an" if that's a problem for you guys then we can work out another deal for childcare." vague threat about us no longer providing childcare multiple times a week.

Am I disrespectful? Maybe. Probably. But I'll be dead and buried before I let someone tell a young girl she's supposed to drop everything because a MAN is there.

I'm also not welcome at my wife's grandparents house because when her grandfather straight up said "be quiet, the men are talking." when she said something during a holiday visit, I told him "what makes you think you can talk to my wife like that?" "well my religion says..." "FUCK your religion, you don't speak to anyone like that."

My wife says I shouldn't have said anything because now she feels like it's her fault her family doesn't like me. No amount of reassurance that it's their own fault helps. I stand by it.

Um... Sorry for rambling, this kind of thing makes me angry and I have to deal with it all the time, and I can't even imagine what it would feel like for all the women who have to deal with it.

[–] Clepsydrae@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

You're a good guy. In a time when I'm having trouble maintaining hope for the future, it's really nice to hear people like you exist.

[–] circledot@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why sexism? What is the sex of OP?

[–] piranhaconda@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I kind of assumed woman based on the fact that OP's username is Jessica, but I could be wrong

[–] circledot@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

Oh, makes sense. Says 'SayJess' for me and I couldn't tell but then I'm no native speaker.

[–] ProIsh@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your anger towards the bf is a bit misplaced. "Fuck him, he can walk into traffic" There any particular reason you would need to target him? Make sure when you explain why you're upset you don't focus on him. Also, you shouldn't be concerned about what she's going to say. She's already showed you. You're expecting some realization and turn around of her behavior. It won't happen. Start doing your own thing and spending less time with her, she won't stop you. Move on, or at least work towards that.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I agree. My anger with him is that he made no effort, except for a “what’s up” when he walked in. Immediately I felt a certain kind of way. He made no effort to even say “hello” or even introduce himself to me. What kind of man is that? I’m supposed to be so close to her, and surely she would have mentioned me to him. But it became clear right away that he had no intention of even knowing my fucking name. I shouldn’t have to be the one that comes up to him and push my way to tell him “I’m Jessica, it’s so nice to meet you”. He had no intention of meeting me, so I have no intention of ever meeting or seeing him again.

I know that this sounds one-sided or otherwise me being stand off-ish with him—and I am. She would have introduced me to him if I was important to her. But clearly I am not as important of a part of her life as I once thought.

Fuck this. What a way to meetup after being apart for more than a month. I’d figure she would want to sit somewhat near me, but she chose her seat that was far away from me. Again, this sounds like poor me, and maybe it is, but I’m really hurt rn.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Or she didn't mention you.

[–] ProIsh@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm actually agreeing with you. Focus on yourself and stand up for yourself. There's no wrong side here, you need to make sure you're in relationships of all kinds with equal footing. I am sorry you're going through it but I'm just being honest here focus on getting yourself right, and focus less on how her or her bf feel about you.
You got this.

[–] cutebc24@piefed.social 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

That’s literally so unfair of them. Mandy has no right to treat you that way and neither do the rest of them. i hope you find better, real friends.

[–] circledot@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

Not caring if you can join the conversation were disrespectful if you were an acquaintance. It's way worse since you are supposedly a good friend. For that relationship to have any chnce to continue she would have to show quite the effort from her side without being asked to do so. If she doesn't see the need to do so - so be it.

[–] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

That's a miserable situation to be in, I'm sorry you're dealing with that. It can be shocking to see how people you know and feel close to act around others. I'm surprised that they all felt comfortable excluding you from conversations like that - to me, that's super weird and would feel very strange to be on either side of that interaction. Odd behaviour from Mandy.

It could be that the effort they're putting in now will peter out over time, and the boyfriend will be in the situation you've found yourself in; excluded by a language barrier.

[–] Rezoie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Damn that sucks, I'm sorry to hear that. If it was me I would just start ghosting them immediately. I hope you won't make contact with them anymore it's just a waste of your time. Its just so weird to talk in another language when you know someone can't understand that, I would never do that that's just stupid and gross. It just means that they never really cared for you at all Because otherwise a good friend would never make you feel left out. As the other commenter said that mandys bf got special treatment because they just got introduced and they will start talking their mother tongue again, which I think will happen so op just stay away from these people who don't care about you.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

I’m glad you texted her. Often, texting someone while you’re angry is a bad idea, but this is something you’ve discussed before. It was a slap in the face, and she would have to be willfully ignorant not to see that. Mandy can either change her ways or find another shoulder to cry on.

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I know the last thing you want is more excuses for their behavior but I think another way this could be interpreted is that they feel comfortable around you enough to speak their native language.

This guy that showed up is a new guy so they probably feel awkward around him and are speaking English a bit to make him feel welcome. It's possible as they get more comfortable around him they may stop that as well.

I'm guessing there was an initial period where they all talked to you in English after all or they probably wouldn't be your friends now.

My dad was a white guy who only had Vietnamese friends and he actually had to learn the language to hang around them and understand what they were saying. (This worked out for him since he now is a lawyer who has almost an exclusive monopoly on the Vietnamese community for clients because he can speak their language.)

Have you tried spending some time trying to pick it up? Or asked them what they were talking about or try to learn some words from them?

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

I’ve tried and failed multiple times to learn to at least understand what they say. I have really given it my best shot each time, but I fall off after a week or two. It really sucks.

They feel so comfortable around me, but know that I don’t understand what they say? I don’t get that. How do they, especially my best friend, not notice that I am not involved at all in what they say? This goes on for hours.

I suppose I need to realize that I will never be an actual part of the group, and that I need to move on.