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Reddit now won't let non-logged in users see subreddits until they've been "reviewed" (lemmy.world)
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This is literally just the r/nyt subreddit about The New York Times.

Given he apparently takes inspiration from Elon Musk, it's only a matter of time until u/spez starts adding post view limits unless you pay extra.

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[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you install the duckduckgo browser and turn on app tracking protection, you'll see just how much data is harvested from mobile apps, which is genuinely scary.

This is why these sites are pushing the mobile app. It's much harder to prevent trackers through an app than it is through a web browser.

[–] Tot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just installed this and am trying the app tracking protection (it's in beta, for those reading who haven't used it). Shockingly, Candy Crush Soda doesn't come up with a list of junk being tracked. whew or something

Here's a screenshot from Discord:

[–] vahtos@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Some of that seems unnecessary (device boot time). But it's not all scary spooky tracking. Some permissions/information is required for certain features.

For example, you can't rotate your app UI if you're not allowed to know screen orientation. Or maybe they do a low power mode if device battery is low, or a warning that the app might not function well if the OS or device is old.

Not saying you're wrong or that Discord is right. Just pointing out that a long list of permissions isn't on its own a bad thing, if those permissions are required for specific features, and not just for the sake of data harvesting.

[–] Funwayguy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why though I appreciate what DDG is doing, it's not informing users about the context of what these permissions are used for, leading to a lot of fear over the wrong things. The data may not even be leaving the device but the implication DDG makes is that it is.

As a side note, I prefer to use DNS66 to filter data and ads by domain, then manually set my Android app permissions as needed.

[–] Metallibus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

This is one hundred percent sensationalism. Just because the app pulls it doesn't mean that it's being used to track you down. It's probably just for crash reporting etc.

[–] Metallibus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

A lot of these are just standard things that things like crash reporters pull. In other words, Discord probably included a crash reporter in their app, and it pulls things like memory usage, device state, os version, what orientation the device is in, etc so that when a crash happen, it can tag those to the developers. Those are all useful variables to the developers to understand what is causing the crash.

Tons of apps use crash reporters to keep their app stable. I'm sure most apps will pull the vast majority of this information. That doesn't mean that they're using it to track you.

[–] PenguinJuice@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you happen to have a screenshot of the data that is harvested? I am genuinely curious.

[–] RojaBunny@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't have specific info on what's harvested, but I have had mine active for a while and I'm at 300k tracking attempts blocked in the last 7 days. It's absolutely wild.

Edited to add - they don't specify what is being attempted, just what each company is known to track generally.

[–] ganove@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, don't be shocked. Without the blocker every app makes one successful attempt and just tracks, with the blocker they attempt again and again like a hamster running against a wall.

Some apps won't work with the blocker. I tried to block Chrome and after a while none of the apps I have installed would work, until I unblocked it.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is why the weekend DDoS attacks and frontpage vandalism don't really concern me. With spez and Musk burning their services to the ground, we're (along with other competitors, we're not the only one) going to get a steady influx pressure for the coming months or even years. Shutting us partly down for a few hours every weekend does nothing in the face of this much stronger phenomenon. Whoever is doing it is basically pissing into the wind.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Kinda good since devs getting their systems stress tests while service is still young and alpha testers don't bitch about minor inconvience unlike Normie's stream...

This FrEe SerVIcE MusT JUst WurK, Rheee

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Agreed. This is very uncomfortable for us, but we're going to come out much stronger for it.

Imagine the alternative--the devs just skipping through imaginary meadows, adding pleasant little features and taking their time, while the userbase grew and grew, and then we experienced a very major breach of trust and security.

That could've theoretically killed us. Now it won't happen. Everyone is staring at their code and thinking "yep, security is important, that's true..."

[–] whosdadog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The spice must flow

[–] astral_avocado@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There were weekend ddos attacks?

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lemmy.world I think? depends on your instance

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also blahaj or something

[–] m4xie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

I think that was due to an update, not an attack.

[–] hellfire103@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Libreddit and Teddit may be dead, but Kddit still works. Eddrit also does the trick, but occasionally gets overloaded.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Old thread, but as best I can tell, old.reddit.com is still going strong. No forcing you to sign in, no padding out the ass.

[–] qwed113@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish there was a way to accelerate widespread adoption of Lemmy.

Reddit has been awesome, but the community deserves a decentralized platform free from bullshit like this.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's probably for the benefit of Lemmy that the grow is slow, it gives the servers plenty of time to upgrade. It's already been struggling somewhat with the influx of new users, it may have become totally unusable with 100x, 1000x the user's etc.

Be patient.

[–] SpeedLimit55@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For now old.reddit still works.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly I'm amazed. Old Reddit is still functionally unchanged over the past several years and honestly a great experience. And Reddit must know exactly how many people are using it because they're visiting an alternate domain.

Can't imagine it has much longer...

[–] Chunk@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

It's only a great experience for some. The vast majority of people, attention, eyeballs, and money go to things like tiktok and Instagram.

[–] Wolpertinger@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having tried /r/politics, /r/eve, and /r/valheim, I was going to point out how I didn't get the screen you got. However, /r/nyt gets this message. As an aside, /r/politics, /r/eve, and /r/valheim are verified while /r/nyt is not is interesting to me. Upon further testing, /r/nytimes works. Seeing how /r/nyt has 411 subscribers, while /r/nytimes has 8,431 subscribers, I think smaller, less well known subreddits will run into issues while larger subreddits or subreddits that are more well known will have no accessibility issues.

It's also interesting that this block doesn't exist if you navigate to old.reddit.com/r/nyt instead of just reddit.com/r/nyt. You think they would have just repurposed the page that asked if you if you were over 18 before going to a nsfw subreddit for this task, but old.reddit.com seems completely overlooked as of now.

old.reddit.com on the Firefox Android app looks bad, but I wonder if someone could make an extension to automatically redirect users to old.reddit.com when navigating to reddit.com, as well as an extension that changes the layout of the page to something more mobile friendly, similar to RES but for your phone's browser. That might make reddit usable on mobile without the official app until old.reddit.com goes away or they try to implement some sort of user agent string check.

[–] Gecko@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You think they would have just repurposed the page that asked if you if you were over 18 before going to a nsfw subreddit for this task, but old.reddit.com seems completely overlooked as of now.

Doubt it was overlooked. I moderated a larger subreddit and I can tell you that the stats for old.reddit are tiny compared to the rest so it's not worth the cost of implementing. Further if you use old.reddit you probably already have a dislike for the app and will rather abandon the content then install the app. Finally old.reddit is used more by old-school redditors which tend to be the vocal minority that will complain about the change the loudest. So overall, ignoring old.reddit is propably the smarter decision from reddits perspective... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I always thought old.reddit going away was what would get me to leave the site...

Strangely impressed it managed to outlast me.

[–] hoodatninja@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ehhhh. This could just be their current stopgap because of all of the NSFW swaps happening. I think you are extrapolating too much.

Don’t get me wrong, I could totally see Reddit enacting this policy in their “infinite wisdom” and quietly rolling it out. But you are drawing too much from this screenshot. We need more context.

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope. It's because it's easier to harvest data through the app, so they funnel people towards it.

[–] hoodatninja@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh there’s no doubt they’ve slowly made it more of a pain in the ass to not use the app (while also making the app worse) but this specific screenshot is too much missing context for OP’s claim to be assumed. It could be true but we don’t know enough.

[–] net00@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do remember seeing this popup way before the whole API & protests debacle. The warning doesn't even make sense, how will switching to the app to see the same content be safer?

I figured you needed to login (to apply your block list, filters, NSFW prefs, etc), but merely seeing the desktop mode of the website lets you through (not even using old.reddit). So this is another cheap way of forcing you to their cancer app.

Now you can't even SORT comments without using the app. They are really taking all pqges off Elon's book on ruining a website.

[–] hoodatninja@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That was specifically for NSFW subs. What OP is showing us is not an NSFW sub. Hence the post.

I do not know why people think I tacitly approve of these changes. I do not. But what OP is claiming may or may not be true. We do not have enough information. It’s a completely separate matter from whether or not I think Reddit has been trying to funnel people towards their app, which clearly they have been for quite some time.

[–] net00@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be clear I just tried what the OP showed and could see the same thing, i forgot to add it in my comment