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[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 168 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That means all those troops were following illegal orders.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 69 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Exactly, stop going after trump. Go after every officer and government agents who followed those orders. See how fast they enforce his bullshit when they’re facing personal consequences

[–] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 20 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Can’t that asshole just pardon them though?

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, but maybe Trump issuing illegal orders to the military and offering pardons to those that follow them would be the catalyst Congress needs to pass an amendment limiting presidential pardon power.

[–] phar@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm aware realistically that will never happen. I was looking for a silver lining.

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[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe someday we'll honor the 14th amendment, nullifying 47th's term, rendering all of his pardons void

You know, since enemies of the US cannot hold office

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[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Not on state charges. But Newsom doesn want the optics of going after the troops for illegally kicking the shit out of his own constituants, because that would play terribly with the only important demographic for democrats, republican voters.

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[–] bdjukeemgood@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Lock them all up. Pure evil. Orders should always be considered against the interpretation of law. Don’t they teach these idiots anything in boot camp?

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[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 118 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A federal judge has ruled that President Donald Trump acted illegally in deploying the National Guard to address protests in the Los Angeles area.

In a ruling issued Thursday evening, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer wrote that such use of the National Guard was a violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution and exceeded the statutory authority granted to the president.

The order, which takes effect Friday, says the administration must return control of the California National Guard to the state of California.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Doesn’t he have immunity now?

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They may not be able to prosecute him, but they can make him stop what he's doing. Theoretically.

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It does seem the power of the judiciary will be challenged quite soon.

It will probably be with a tweet saying "Make me. You and what army?" and the courts will need to rely on the US military choosing the Constitution over the Commander in Chief.

May we all have the fortune to live securely in less interesting times. I suppose it is our duty to make that happen.

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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

And when he inevitably doesn’t listen they’ll make a really strong pouty face.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Might be true, but since the orders are illegal, the NG are following illegal orders if they continue, meaning potential court martial (depending on many factors).

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He does, but anyone following illegal orders doesn’t. Sure, he could pardon them, but only after a long, expensive, and potentially life-changing legal battle after which they’re convicted.

That doesn’t sound like a fight most regular troops should want to gamble on.

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[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 97 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 84 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The legal system is just not equipped to deal with the threat implied by Trump.

In the US it seems like judges are just another executive arm of the government anyway.

The few actual judges still considering the law just get perpetually paused with appeals and what have you.

[–] floo@retrolemmy.com 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Innuendo Studios becoming more prevalent, and more prescient.

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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

At first I was like "this video is 6 years old, how could this possibly be relevant to this conversation?"

Then I watched the video and realized, "yep... same shit, different day." The conservative playbook hasn't changed a bit and Democrats keep falling for it.

I hate to say this, but you could go back 40 years and this would still be true. 6 years ago, TACO was still in office.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So...just let him keep breaking the law until it reaches the Supreme Court? I thought they were supposed to pause his actions, pending appeal...not let him keep going.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

just let him keep breaking the law until it reaches the Supreme Court?

Also after it reaches the Supreme Court.

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[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 13 points 1 month ago

The National Guard should release all arrested protesters, return to base and tell the Governor of California that they are "reporting for duty". If not, they are traitors (already before but then even more so).

[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

Temporary order while they consider it. Could still go either way.

[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 69 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The past year doesn't give me the feeling that this will change anything.

Trump is still free and doing his dumbevil stuff

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Need more Democrats to sit and wave cardboard signs. Need more protests to run head first into riot shields. Need more leftist to leave social media spaces wide open. Need more Faygo.

Then maybe things will be different

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh ok, cool. So naturally he's been or will soon be placed under arrest, because that's how being illegal works.

[–] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not anymore, it's not. He's immune from any sort of prosecution related to the job.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 51 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He will just ignore it, and double down. Nothing will happen.

[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nothing will happen.

The judge might get fired.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Or at least get right wing death threats and have any security stripped away, followed by being doxxed by the head of the judicial branch and DOJ.

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The question is whether the California National Guard will follow Trump's orders or Newsom's orders in a situation where a court has ruled that Newsom is who they currently work for.

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Within an hour an appeals judge put a 1 week stay on the ruling. Fucking corrupt judges

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The legal system in which the poor languish in jail for years awaiting trial moves extremely quickly when it wants to.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm sure that means there will be repercussions

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Jail time, no doubt

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Oooooohhhhhh, you broke the law, president trump!"

".......yeah? And?"

And nothing happened.

[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No no you don't understand... The PRESIDENT broke a law... This is like yuge. America won't stand for this.

Jkjk this is just Thursday, tune in tomorrow night for night TGIF! If I haven't seen it, it's new to me!

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Hello fellow millennial or older.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t it be nice if rulings against the talibangelical dictatorship actually carried any weight anymore?

[–] DanVctr@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Y'all Qaeda at it again

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay?

Nothing matters without a consequence. Show me a judge who will put a warrant out on Trump and enforce it.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's paused on appeal now, but there was never going to be a consequence for Trump personally because he'd argue "official act." There'd only be the return of control of the CA National Guard troops to Governor Newsom So they could be sent to help with wildfire situations, for instance. Then again, will people even trust them to help with an evacuation anymore?

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[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't worry, Chuck Schumer will lower his glasses a little and give Trump a stern look from across town.

[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Then come up with six strongly word questions and send them an email!!! Got em!!!

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Awesome, so... I don't expect him to be arrested or impeached, or for there to even be an investigation or anything.

I'm hoping for something more realistic like taking away his screen time for the weekend, or at least till he says he's sowwy.

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[–] doug@lemmy.today 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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