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[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 days ago (7 children)
[–] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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One of the interesting things I notice about the 'reasoning' models is their responses to questions occasionally include what my monkey brain perceives as 'sass'.

I wonder sometimes if they recognise the trivialness of some of the prompts they answer, and subtilly throw shade.

One's going to respond to this with 'clever monkey! 🐒 Have a banana 🍌.'

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I asked it how many Ts are in names of presidents since 2000. It said 4 and stated that "Obama" contains 1 T.

[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago
[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 218 points 4 days ago (28 children)

Next step how many r in Lollapalooza

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 98 points 4 days ago
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[–] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 132 points 4 days ago (18 children)

It's funny how people always quickly point out that an LLM wasn't made for this, and then continue to shill it for use cases it wasn't made for either (The "intelligence" part of AI, for starters)

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (37 children)

LLM wasn’t made for this

There's a thought experiment that challenges the concept of cognition, called The Chinese Room. What it essentially postulates is a conversation between two people, one of whom is speaking Chinese and getting responses in Chinese. And the first speaker wonders "Does my conversation partner really understand what I'm saying or am I just getting elaborate stock answers from a big library of pre-defined replies?"

The LLM is literally a Chinese Room. And one way we can know this is through these interactions. The machine isn't analyzing the fundamental meaning of what I'm saying, it is simply mapping the words I've input onto a big catalog of responses and giving me a standard output. In this case, the problem the machine is running into is a legacy meme about people miscounting the number of "r"s in the word Strawberry. So "2" is the stock response it knows via the meme reference, even though a much simpler and dumber machine that was designed to handle this basic input question could have come up with the answer faster and more accurately.

When you hear people complain about how the LLM "wasn't made for this", what they're really complaining about is their own shitty methodology. They build a glorified card catalog. A device that can only take inputs, feed them through a massive library of responses, and sift out the highest probability answer without actually knowing what the inputs or outputs signify cognitively.

Even if you want to argue that having a natural language search engine is useful (damn, wish we had a tool that did exactly this back in August of 1996, amirite?), the implementation of the current iteration of these tools is dogshit because the developers did a dogshit job of sanitizing and rationalizing their library of data. Also, incidentally, why Deepseek was running laps around OpenAI and Gemini as of last year.

Imagine asking a librarian "What was happening in Los Angeles in the Summer of 1989?" and that person fetching you back a stack of history textbooks, a stack of Sci-Fi screenplays, a stack of regional newspapers, and a stack of Iron-Man comic books all given equal weight? Imagine hearing the plot of the Terminator and Escape from LA intercut with local elections and the Loma Prieta earthquake.

That's modern LLMs in a nutshell.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 days ago (27 children)

You've missed something about the Chinese Room. The solution to the Chinese Room riddle is that it is not the person in the room but rather the room itself that is communicating with you. The fact that there's a person there is irrelevant, and they could be replaced with a speaker or computer terminal.

Put differently, it's not an indictment of LLMs that they are merely Chinese Rooms, but rather one should be impressed that the Chinese Room is so capable despite being a completely deterministic machine.

If one day we discover that the human brain works on much simpler principles than we once thought, would that make humans any less valuable? It should be deeply troubling to us that LLMs can do so much while the mathematics behind them are so simple. Arguments that because LLMs are just scaled-up autocomplete they surely can't be very good at anything are not comforting to me at all.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

then continue to shill it for use cases it wasn't made for either

The only thing it was made for is "spicy autocomplete".

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[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 26 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It's marketed like its AGI, so we should treat it like AGI to show that it isn't AGI. Lots of people buy the bullshit

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[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 25 points 4 days ago (12 children)

There are different types of Artificial intelligences. Counter-Strike 1.6 bots, by definition, were AI. They even used deep learning to figure out new maps.

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[–] VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com 154 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Biggest threat to humanity

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 94 points 4 days ago (12 children)

I know there’s no logic, but it’s funny to imagine it’s because it’s pronounced Mrs. Sippy

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[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It is going to be funny those implementation of LLM in accounting software

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Deep reasoning is not needed to count to 3.

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[–] qx128@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I really like checking these myself to make sure it’s true. I WAS NOT DISAPPOINTED!

(Total Rs is 8. But the LOGIC ChatGPT pulls out is ……. remarkable!)

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Let me know if you'd like help counting letters in any other fun words!"

Oh well, these newish calls for engagement sure take on ridiculous extents sometimes.

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I want an option to select Marvin the paranoid android mood: "there's your answer, now if you could leave me to wallow in self-pitty"

Here I am, emissions the size of a small country, and they ask me to count letters...

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

When we see LLMs struggling to demonstrate an understanding of what letters are in each of the tokens that it emits or understand a word when there are spaces between each letter, we should compare it to a human struggling to understand a word written in IPA format (/sʌtʃ əz ðɪs/) even though we can understand the word spoken aloud normally perfectly fine.

[–] GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But if you've learned IPA you can read it just fine

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

I know IPA but I can't read English text written in pure IPA as fast as I can read English text written normally. I think this is the case for almost anyone who has learned the IPA and knows English.

[–] sheetzoos@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Honey, AI just did something new. It's time to move the goalposts again.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 34 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Now ask how many asses there are in assassinations

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 16 points 3 days ago

It works if you use a reasoning model... but yeah, still ass

[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 58 points 4 days ago (5 children)

It's all about weamwork 🤝

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[–] MrLLM@ani.social 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We gotta raise the bar, so they keep struggling to make it “better”

My attempt

0000000000000000
0000011111000000
0000111111111000
0000111111100000
0001111111111000
0001111111111100
0001111111111000
0000011111110000
0000111111000000
0001111111100000
0001111111100000
0001111111100000
0001111111100000
0000111111000000
0000011110000000
0000011110000000

Btw, I refuse to give my money to AI bros, so I don’t have the “latest and greatest”

[–] ipitco@lemmy.super.ynh.fr 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Tested on ChatGPT o4-mini-high

It sent me this

0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
0 0 1 1 1 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0

I asked it to remove the spaces


0001111100000000
0011111111000000
0011111110000000
0111111111100000
0111111111110000
0011111111100000
0001111111000000
0011111100000000
0111111111100000
1111111111110000
1111111111110000
1111111111110000
1111111111110000
0011100111000000
0111000011100000
1111000011110000

I guess I just murdered a bunch of trees and killed a random dude with the water it used, but it looks good

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[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

How many times do I have to spell it out for you chargpt? S-T-R-A-R-W-B-E-R-R-Y-R

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