No PM is really going to want to agree to one. It's going to take a lot of pressuring and strong SNP showings in both parliaments to get to a stage where a PM considers it.
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Yes, understandable, but he could have not answered too
The most annoying thing politicians do is not answering the question.
Why would there be one anytime soon?
I dunno, maybe people in Scotland keep electing pro indy majorities or some other antidemocratic guff. Holyrood is going to the polls next year
Yet the people of Scotland said no in the referendum not so long ago. If it was anything like the Brexit referendum I'm surprised anyone would want to go through that again.
I'm not even British, and I'm painfully aware that the difficulty of (re)obtaining EU membership was one of the "no" arguments during the independence referendum. The fact that the rest of the country turned around and voted to leave the EU against Scottish wishes just 2 years later should at least be grounds for a second referendum, if that's what the Scottish people want.
The fact that the rest of the country turned around and voted to leave the EU
Just to be clear, 51% of the United Kingdom voted to leave the EU in what was sold as a 'non-binding referendum'. Fucking morons. The fucking corrupt tory pricks in charge decided that 51% of voters was enough to call it a majority, and removed us from the best trade agreement we will ever have had with the European Economic Union.
It was one of the arguments, but I don't think it was anything binding to trigger a second referendum.
The Scottish people wanting a referendum or not. Is the only matter of any importance to the issue.
On a somewhat false premise, to put it mildly, considering it was held prior to the brexit referendum (which suddenly became binding).
Brexit invalidated the results because many voted for the sole purpose of staying in the EU, public support is now at a majority, and Reform getting in would raise support significantly.
That’s a bold word to use, considering Scotland got started on colonialism before England did, and the Scotch were the most vigorously committed members of the colonial service and military.
Didnae say we weren't. Wouldn't use that word to describe us today. Unlike Starmer
Why do Scot’s say didnae but not wouldnae?
As ye wudnae sae didnae tae yer ma, did ye?
Yo no hablo Scots, señor.
Scotch is a bold word to use when trying to take the moral high ground, you xenophobe.
Can you provide a source for your claim of being the most vigorously committed members or are you just talking out your arse?
The first English overseas expansion occurred as early as 1169, when the Norman invasion of Ireland began to establish English possessions in Ireland, with thousands of English and Welsh settlers arriving in Ireland.[3] As a result of this the Lordship of Ireland was claimed for centuries by the English monarch
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_overseas_possessions
Scotland's colonialism began in the 1600s, quite a bit later than the 1100s...
Chaps like Henry Dundas (literally put upon a pedestal, and former head of the EIC) made a vast amount of wealth that was used to build Scottish cities, found its banks and institutions. Scotland was obsessed with education, and what the educated did was they got work administering colonial affairs. And of course, the very enthusiastic colonisation of Ireland.
So literally nothing that the English and Welsh didn't also do. We were all bastards.
Olap's mention of Starmer being a colonialist is because he is outright denying the chance of a democratic process, regardless of what the Scottish electorate desire, like a colonialist would do. Not to mention his support for Israel, a true modern colonial power.
Maybe think next time before you go running to defend an antidemocratic genocide supporter and keep your bigotry to yourself.
Not to mention his support for Israel,
What support?
We stopped weapons sales and condemned them, have called for a two-state solution, and their leader is calling Starmer an anti-Semite.
That is a very recent change, his stance until just a few weeks ago has been very pro-Israel. Even now, his stance is the weakest form of condemnation possible, from an ex human rights lawyer, for what is an atrocity on par with the likes of the holocaust and holodomor.
This documentary gives more information about Starmer's faction in Labour's weaponisation of "antisemitism":
Other related information:
https://www.thenational.scot/news/25214288.keir-starmer-confronted-uk-claim-no-genocide-gaza/
I presume therefore as such a passionate advocate for democracy that, if Scotland became independent, you would support a decennial referendum on joining the UK? Or is only the “right” result worthy of being deemed a democratic process?
Was that before the union?
It fairly directly caused the union
Scotch is a drink.
Well, if anyone would know, it’s you.
Why not just call my mum names while you're at it.
Was she also named after a chain of off-licences?
refusal to grant a referendum while also striking down any devolved laws they don't like? that's not a union that's colonisation.
non-brit here. i watched a season of Bakeoff where one of the contestants mentioned being a unionist while making a patriotic cake or something like that. from the outside it is utterly fucking weird to have someone's political stance be "Everything Is Fine Like This, You Are Actually Happy Where You Are, Do Not Consider Leaving"
What is it that you find strange exactly?