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[–] Mohamed@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It is true, it seems, that Nicotine treats ADHD. There is at least one study that showed nicotine patches (18h and 24h ones) provide a mild to moderate relief for ADHD in people that do not use nicotine otherwise (e.g. nonsmokers). So, it doesn't just treat the symptoms of nicotine withdrawal.

Cigarette smoke is known to contain a clinically significant amount of MAO inhibiters that are not nicotine. MAO inhibiters are regularly used to treat depression and anxiety, and theoretically could treat ADHD since MAOI's generally prevent breakdown of dopamine. There is some nuance here.*

  • For example, there are different types of MAO (monoamine oxidase - an enzyme that breaks down monoamines. Dopamine is an example of a monoamine), like MAO-A vs MAO-B, which break down different monoamines, and MAOI's (MAO Inhibitors) differ on whether they inhibit A, B or both. Furthermore, there are reversible vs irreversible MAOI.
[–] theblips@lemm.ee 6 points 4 hours ago

This is super interesting. Can you link the sources? I'd be interested in knowing if this MAO deal is exclusive to cigarettes or is also present in the ecologically superior and marginally healthier pipe tobacco

[–] towelie@lemm.ee 19 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Thanks to my wife I've come to learn that I probably have ADHD. I never would have realized it on my own, but it's so obvious when someone points it out. If she has an extra cup of coffee she is buzzing and shaking for hours, whereas its basically a sedative to me. I can drink a whole pot and still pass out on the couch for a mid day nap lol.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Nic+Vyvanse+Caffeine. Father+son+holy spirit.

[–] briever@lemm.ee -2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Nicotine only treats the symptoms of nicotine addiction.

[–] theblips@lemm.ee 15 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Not true. Nicotine is a stimulant, so it has most of the effects of other stimulants, such as increased alertness. This stuff isn't popular with high stress jobs because people want to be cool, it's popular because it works. Finance bros popping zyns are the same ones drinking coffee all day long, same as students vaping all day

[–] theblips@lemm.ee 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Also, to add to that, it's important to know that nicotine is studied seriously by actual health organizations and has mixed evidence supporting it as a treatment for Alzheimers and other dementia cases. I understand the hatred for smoking and even tobacco, but we can't overreact and act like boomers hating on THC treatments.
Not to mention that spreading misinformation like this will only serve to get more people to smoke once they figure out some of what you're saying is BS

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm mad about alternative nicotine consumption solutions being limited to low power quitting aids, and not straight up alternatives to smoking with all of the drug and none of the lung tar.

[–] theblips@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago

I think Zyns and vapes are a step in the right direction in that regard, already orders of magnitude less harmful than smoking, but I'm also a huge fan of the traditional dry nasal snuff, which has fallen out of fashion. I can take as much snuff as I want for any period and get almost no side effects (except withdrawal of course), while I get noticeable sores if I use zyns for 3 or 4 days straight, even a single one a day.
Can't say it's 100% safe, as there is basically no research on it, and there is some evidence suggesting aged tobacco is a carcinogen by itself. Also there is some convincing evidence that fire toasted and fire cured things are carcinogenic, and some snuff is (this also includes food for grilling and smoking fans out there)

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 32 points 20 hours ago

I decided I didn't need my ADHD meds anymore when I was in my late teens. Spent most of my 20s smoking about a pack a day and drinking 6 or 7 cups of coffee. I quit smoking in my late 20s, struggled until my early 30s, then started taking my medicine again and realized I was an idiot.

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Ah, yes. that explains why i still crave cigarettes after quitting 10 years ago.

[–] Lesrid@lemm.ee 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I received my strongest encouragement to never smoke when my high school history teacher said he hasn't smoked in fifteen years but will see someone smoking and think to himself: damn that looks tasty

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 4 hours ago

Can patches do the same?

[–] Cocopanda@futurology.today 8 points 19 hours ago

I’m at about 10 years myself. But I never have cravings. I once in a while smell someone smoking. And I just realize how long it’s been since ive smelt that smell.

[–] PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 36 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Oh. So these are medicinal cigarettes I'm smoking?

[–] yumpsuit@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I can tell by your username that they’re actually jazz cigarettes

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[–] theblips@lemm.ee 9 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I get hypomania from intense stimulants like Vyvanse but atomoxetin, which I'm on right now, doesn't work as well even at the highest dosages. Sooooo I heavily self medicate with nicotine, it's good that it also feels amazing
Just don't smoke actual cigarettes, guys. I guess everything tobacco is bad (I'd argue for snuff though), but cigarettes really are that much worse than everything else

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Why take the atomoxetin if it doesn't work and nicotine does?

Snuff fucks up your mouth. Scroll down to cancer and dental:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/quit-smoking/in-depth/chewing-tobacco/art-20047428

[–] theblips@lemm.ee 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That's moist snuff, taken orally, not dry snuff, which is taken nasally. It's a common misunderstanding about snuff brought on by the US government's refusal to update their terminology... In 2025 snuff means only dry nasal, while most people refer to "moist snuff" as snus or chaw :)
The atomoxetin does work, it's just not as strong and as consistent as necessary. I have gotten the go ahead to use Ritalin at low doses in particularly low functioning days (along with atomoxetin), but last time I tried it made me dangerously hypomanic. So I take some espresso shots and pinches of snuff throughout the day, or maybe a Zyn, which I recognize the risks of using, but it's only occasional

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz -2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Well, it won't be occasional for long. I heared from multiple people about how it started occasionally.

[–] chuymatt@startrek.website 3 points 1 hour ago

Yah. That stuff is so addictive.

I have to set an alarm or I forget to take it in the morning. I crave it so much I FORGET TO TAKE IT WITHOUT REMINDERS.

[–] theblips@lemm.ee 6 points 7 hours ago

It's not heroin lmao
Anyway, I only get zyns as a treat from friends traveling abroad, as it's not available where I live. If I had that crazy impulse to get more and more nicotine I'd just start smoking, and that hasn't happened even though I'm doing this for years now

[–] ericatty@infosec.pub 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Why not nicotine gum? Or the patches?

(Asking as someone who grew up around smokers, dippers, and chawers - and now I'm incredibly grossed out by tobacco spit)

[–] theblips@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago

Pricing and availability are both better for the real stuff where I live. Also, I'm not trying to quit, I actually enjoy the flavor and the buzz, so I'm not really trying to sub.
I've never dipped, it seems interesting but I also can't get past the spitting thing, grosses me out

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 17 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

My theory, which there's no evidence, is that we ignore the effects of modern society, and that people are very anxious. And sometimes we're too caught up in our own ass to recognize anxious behavior, but some people get overwhelmed. I feel a lot of people are in a constant state of fight or flight and with things like the fear of missing out or the constant push and pull of this meaning of life, making a peasant's wage without even a peasant's day off creates very scatter-brained, anxious, citizens. Cigarettes are stimulants. People do drugs because they're sad. People normalize this sadness because what else is there? I mean, imagine losing your job and being really good at it, but then some subservient cock sucker is getting promoted. And you sit there and expected to internalize this. I mean, you ain't no rocket scientist, but you can fucking do basic algebra, and the numbers don't fucking add up. Not only that. You learn that the metrics aren't even taken in account, certain variables. So it's just like lower the bar we're doing great. I also think the emotional trauma that people experience can manifest itself. As it repeats itself over and over again, the brain chemistry changes. It is a self-fulfilling fucking prophecy. is the by-product of a world with exponential gains is the by-product of a world with exponential gains but no improvement at the bottom. Mass shooters are the byproduct of socioeconomics. Stop calling people incells. They're fucking mad, angry, confused, and poor. Men are suffering. Women are suffering. Families are suffering. And memes, they don't do enough. There is no war but the class war. https://www.theviolenceproject.org/

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[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 15 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

France trading ADHD for Ennui

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

I prefer vaginal but do you boo.

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