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Isn't this just India posturing because of the Kashmir attack? The first threat about cutting off water was an empty one so now they are floating some military strike just to appear thst they care? I may eat my words here, but neither party is going to risk a full on war with an enemy with nukes over a place like Kashmir.
How is India posturing ? They ARE cutting off water
But they ain't got that infrastructure to stop the flow for long time
If you say so
Oh for fucks sake.
Before we all die in WW3 I'd just like to say: It's "Oh for fuck's sake."
India RN:
I suspect that’s exactly the reaction Pakistan is hoping for.
On one hand I think you're right but on the other, if they're correct, I'd say they want India to know they're in their systems or have spies.
That kind of an opsec failure is going to be disconcerting at a minimum.
Stop reading the news.
If it happens it happens. If you see the flash, lay down prone on the ground with your head towards it and your hands covering your face. Otherwise until that happens, just carry on as normal with your life
I just skim stories and catch a general idea of what's going on for this reason.
'Is this something I can actionably do something about? No? Then don't worry about it.'
stop reading the news
Because the news contrives to frighten you.
Sorry. Don't really like Morrissey but had no choice there
If this causes nukes to fly, then it’s been nice knowing you all of if it causes WW3.
Same but also more real for me because I live in Mumbai. Probably the top target for Pakistani nukes.
They've had an actual (small) war before over Kashmir, subsequent to them both getting nuclear weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War
They did not use their nuclear weapons.
It also marks one of only two instances of conventional warfare between nuclear-armed states (alongside the Sino-Soviet border conflict).
it’s been nice knowing you all
Has it though?
From the top minds that brought us, "who? Bin Laden? Here?"
The British did a 'divide and rule'. Religion was the tool used to do the division 75 years ago at the time of separation. Religion is the same tool used today to divide the country internally and manufacture hate and consent for war.
Anti British empire people:
The Brits are horrible! Look how they divided the world in countries with straight line borders without care about the local population's culture!
Also anti British empire people:
The Brits are horrible! They made 2 separated countries due to their culture being different!
You can't blame the British on this. Countries are supposed to be groups of people that are geographically connected and have similar cultures. Religion is a big part of culture.
Of course leaving I think leaving Kashmir to decide their own fate was a mistake. In retrospect, they probably should have divided them in 2 and give part to Pakistan and part to india. Or alternatively force them to become a separate state with a constitution that doesn't rule out the idea of separating in 2, and each part could decide independence or join their culturally-similar country.
The "everything is fault of the British" is such a cop out. India and the region had no trouble dividing themselves very publicly with caste systems, no?
People just need education.
ITT people claiming this could be a WW3 starter. Even if India engaged Pakistan militarily, I fail to see how that would lead to anything larger than a localised conflict.
Like, neither country is geopolitically significant enough for any major players to care at that level. Sure, India getting bogged down in war could affect supply chains around the world, but would any of the heavyweights like US, China, Russia or a semi-relevant NATO country think that would be worth their involvement? If Russia being on year 11 of their military invasion of a NATO-bordering country hasn't sparked a world war yet, I don't see how this would either.
Since when is India not a major player? Last I checked they were the world's 4th biggest economy, have almost 20% of the population of the planet (more than four USes combined), 4th largest military spend and have nearly 200 nukes.
Not to say that it would be part of a world war but it sounds weird to say that they're not a heavyweight but Russia is, despite having double Russia's economic output.
Sure, on their own, but are they part of any defence treaties like NATO or have alliances with other countries strong enough to drag them into this conflict with Pakistan and start a world war?
If Modi thinks it'll help him stay in power, he'd probably do it.
Agree with everything you've said. They only thing is China has been contesting a North Eastern border with India for some time so they might take the opportunity for some shenanigans.
Still don't see it escalating beyond regional though as you said.
They both have nukes though
They've had these border skirmishes and terrorist attacks about every 2-3 years for the last 50 years without resorting to nukes.
I only learned about hostilities between the two countries after about 28-30 years on the planet (thanks, US edumacation system) and I still don't think I understand why they don't get along...
To any who are stuck in their countries as their governments choose the stupidest possible actions, you have my sympathies, and I wish you well in the coming days.
My impression of the conflict: The partition of British India into independent India and independent Pakistan was very violent and traumatizing for lots of people, and also left some unsolved border disputes. The independence of Bangladesh from Pakistan was likewise very violent and saw India helping the Bangladeshi people gain independence. Both events are long enough in the past that people could have gotten over the hate by now, except that it gets refreshed with new violence every few years. In the last few decades there's been several terror attacks in India that were sponsored by the Pakistani state. But now India too has a religious fundamentalist government, so maybe they'll be trying to return the favor. Authoritarians love creating external enemies, it helps them stay in control of their own population.
Border disputes (mainly Kashmir) worsened by the friction between a Muslim-majority Pakistan and a Hindu-majority India when both are led by increasingly nationalist governments, basically.
Maybe the answer could be pulling an Andorra. Make Kashmir a different country that is supervised by both current countries.
Ah yes, “my god(s) that I made up is better than your god(s) that you made up”
Pakistan was created by Indian separatists (I'm oversimplifying, but that's the crux). They're divided by religious groups (e.g. Pakistan is majority Muslim, while India is mostly Hindu (~80%).
Please tell me they got it off Signal. So hot right now!