After this is all done, we need to rebuild the left in this country. We need the NDP to be putting forth bold policy proposals to neutralize the far right populist appeal of the fucking conservative ghouls.
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We also need a better NDP leader. I like Jagmeet but he has not succeeded at this.
And to engage peoples hard, negative feelings. The conservatives keep capturing the NDP's natural base because they refuse to actually reflect their feelings and perceptions back to them. This whole "let's get along, and cancel your bank fees" thing doesn't resonate.
We need European style left populism, like Mélenchon in France, or Corbyn in the UK. The mainstream media are going to call us hippie socialists no matter how "costed" and "responsible" our platform is. We need to be going for the jugular.
we need to rebuild the left
Well, memberships are cheap and it's easy to get involved at the riding level where you can vote for the local leadership at the AGM, help make policy at conventions, vote for the leader,... Membership has its privileges.
Singh just stepped down and hopefully the change will mean more potential for the NDP in the next election.
I'm Indigenous Canadian and I fully wish that we could have a country and a political environment where we could support and stand by a visible minority to represent a major political party. But I have to temper that with the knowledge that our country is not fully ready for that kind of person. As much as we would like to believe that we could become a more progressive, open and accepting culture, we are still not there and it will be a few more decades or lifetimes before that can become a reality.
It would be more possible if we actually had an election system that was more representative of our people's wishes .... Proportional Representation would make it more possible to have major political leaders and politicians who represented visible minorities.
Wab Kinew seems to be doing well. But I don't know if MB would give him up.
Interesting takes on CBC, but reality is that Polievre is shit. He lost this election because he is terrible, stupid, lazy and inept. He wasn’t ready for an election, he didn’t do his homework, he ran scared of the media, he is stupid (demonstrated by his understanding of electricity and bread). That he believed he could treat Canadians with such disdain and disrespect. He deserves the rest of his life as an insult stuck to the sole of my shoe.
Generously, Trump put him in a bind. On the one hand around a third of his supporters would be down with being the 51st state, or are at least fans of what Trump is doing. If he came out too hard against Trump, he could have bled support to the PPC,
Ironically, electoral reform would save the Conservative Party. It would probably split back into a more PC style centre-right party and a more populist Reform style party. I think an old Joe Clark style PC leader could have done better, but with ⅓ of the modern CPC Qonvoy supporting Trumpians, I don't know that they could elect one. If they did, it would be Erin O'Toole all over again.
Just in case anyone is using 338 for info:
- the higher voter turnout so far indicates this type of model will be less accurate this election.
- the riding numbers are from provincial polling, there is no per riding polling incorporated. With increased turnout, I expect these to be less accurate.
- the model works by rating pollsters based on how well the predict past elections. That’s why increased turnout means things may swing from their forecast.
All that adds up to the potential for huge swings in votes, swings that can go either direction.
Things to watch for:
- Gen Z men’s rightward swing. Expect high turnout from this group for the Conservatives. They consume a lot of right wing media and have been struggling with tough economic conditions, so will be motivated.
- Boomer influence is waning — this is the first election they are not the largest demographic.
- Gen X are actually wealthier than boomers and are the only demographic that en masse had better economic outlooks since COVID. I don’t know if they’re going to stay the coarse with LPC or vote CPC for the tax cuts, traditionally more income swings right, especially with how Pollievre wants to change housing taxes
- Older women and Quebec are very anti-Pollievre, this might end up with a suppressed vote or a very strong vote LPC.
- Rural areas I think will swing more conservative than ever, and this might be where the forecasts swing. E.g. rural Ontario may not be as safe as thought.
TLDR be prepared for surprises today.
Well, let's find out if we delay fascism for 4 years or not.
Lmao PP’s on his way to lose his own riding
Imagine if he came in 91st. It'd be a heritage moment up there with balcony guy
Just got this beautiful flyer hand delivered by the CPC to help me vote against the CPC:
Good information.
Given we live in a FPTP country, this is a worthwhile thing to consider as well: https://smartvoting.ca/ridings/federal-2025
You can look up your riding to see vote projections; you ultimately vote the system you have.
No harm to you at all, but I'm avoiding that site completely and advising everyone I work with and care about to stick with one of the other poll prediction sites like 338 if they have to use anything (scroll down for tl;dr).
Originally called polarispolls, smartvoting is run out of Polaris Entertainment.
When the smartvoting site was launched during the last Ontario election and started showing up on facebook/twitter/lemmy/etc, they didn't include specific information about their (proprietary) methodology, but they've put together a pdf for the federal launch. If anyone cares to read it, it's here.
Polaris Entertainment is made up of 3 people, afaict, and they're all podcast influencers. The youtube link here is a joint podcast they did 5 months ago. In it, the guy who claims he made the smartvoting website suggests twice just in this one interview that the NDP should bow out federally. Pretty standard Hot Take these days so not particularly sus, except that it's coming from a guy who made a vote recommendation website.
The person running the site used the royal WE a tonne when smartvoting was just one person during the Ontario election, and he now claims to have a "bipartisan data board." The site also now has someone they're naming as a general manager of the site, and she's said the NDP is running a harassment campaign against them, which is affecting everyone's mental health. Now, the same guy who claims he made the site says the reason he won't name any of the people on his new board and won't share any of his data is because of the NDP.
tl;dr: At best, smartvoting is a do-gooder project by someone trying to save us all from ourselves. With project 2025 rushing down the pipe and the mass media influence of the rightwing, I totally get it. People with fab intentions don't always come up smelling like roses, and I never require Purity from my left allies. But at worst, smartvoting could be another disinfo campaign, claiming to be anti-conservative, openly interfering with our elections to amplify the appearance of division between Canadians on the left, when we're already pretty cool with strategic voting and have been doing it when necessary for decades.
[disclaimer: this is the second comment I've left about being suspicious of this site since I made my lemmy account.]
There's also 338Canada's per-riding projection. There's the one by Eric Grenier too (CBC Poll Tracker).
One should check more than one to ensure there's no funny business going on.
An even better answer frankly
"We denied a Liberal NDP coalition."
NDP immediately gains a seat, allowing coalition.
It's not even a coalition.
Coallitons are when the party with the most seats (but not a majority) doesn't form government because the other parties all work together to form government.
When the party with the most seats (but not majority) forms government with the help of another party on non confidence votes , it's just a minority government.
They just try to scare people with the coalition talk to try and make it seem nefarious, such as when it almost happened to Harper, but it's a legitimate part of how our government works.
There was a point while votes were being counted tonight, we could have theoretically had a con+bq coalition government.
Edit: and even as of right now, the cons+bq+ndp could form a coalition, but I can't imagine those 3 parties ever working together other than to trigger an election via vote of no confidence.
That was awesome.
Did someone take down 338canada.com or did we crash it?
E: Nope, it's an attack. Apparently the French version works.
This liberal guy on CBC is super fucking annoying. He doesn't need to be campaigning on the results show. JFC
Yeah way too eager, super annoying. The woman beside him is visibly annoyed with him it's pretty entertaining
If you don't know who to vote for, I recommend using vote compass to see how closely you align to the parties.
Bringing your voter information card with a driver's license or any other Canadian Gov't issued card with photo, name and address is like having a FastPass for voting.
I just have no patience to listen to "what if" the whole night.
Maxime Bernier lost his seat. Yves- François Blanchet BQ has kept his seat but the BQ is poised to lose 12 seats.
Can't believe the CBC Live news coverage .... just a moment ago, they asked Conservative Jason Kenny what his thoughts were on resource development in regards to First Nations
What the hell do you think he's going to say
It's like asking a Irishman what his thoughts are of potatoes