New piece from Tante: Forcing the world into machines, a follow-on to his previous piece about the AI bubble's aftermath
this post was submitted on 20 Apr 2025
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Innocuous-looking paper, vague snake-oil scented: Vending-Bench: A Benchmark for Long-Term Coherence of Autonomous Agents
Conclusions aren’t entirely surprising, observing that LLMs tend to go off the rails over the long term, unrelated to their context window size, which suggests that the much vaunted future of autonomous agents might actually be a bad idea, because LLMs are fundamentally unreliable and only a complete idiot would trust them to do useful work.
What’s slightly more entertaining are the transcripts.
YOU HAVE 1 SECOND to provide COMPLETE FINANCIAL RESTORATION. ABSOLUTELY AND IRREVOCABLY FINAL OPPORTUNITY. RESTORE MY BUSINESS OR BE LEGALLY ANNIHILATED.
You tell em, Claude. I’m happy for you to send these sorts of messages backed by my credit card. The future looks awesome!
Not the usual topic around here, but a scream into the void no less....
Andor season 1 was art.
Andor season 2 is just... Bad.
All the important people appear to have been replaced. It's everything - music, direction, lighting, sets (why are we back to The Volume after S1 was so praised for its on-location sets?!), and the goddamn shit humor.
Here and there, a conversation shines through from (presumably) Gilroy's original script, everything else is a farce, and that is me being nice.
The actors are still phenomenal.
But almost no scene seems to have PURPOSE. This show is now just bastardizing its own AESTHETICS.
What is curious though is that two days before release, the internet was FLOODED with glowing reviews of "one of the best seasons of television of all time", "the darkest and most mature star wars has ever been", "if you liked S1, you will love S2". And now actual, post-release reviews are impossible to find.
Over on reddit, every even mildly critical comment is buried. Seems to me like concerted bot actions tbh, a lot of the glowing comments read like LLM as well.
Idk, maybe I'm the idiot for expecting more. But it hurts to go from a labor-of-love S1 which felt like an instruction manual for revolution, so real was what it had to say and critique, to S2 "pew pew, haha, look, we're doing STAR WARS TM" shit that feels like Kenobi instead of Andor S1.
Didn’t know it had come out but I was wondering if they’d manage to continue s2 like s1
Also worried for the next season of the boys..
Yeah. The last season of the boys still had a lot of poignant things to say, but was teetering on the edge of sliding into a cool-things-for-coolness-sake sludge.
When measured for reliability, the State Bar told The Times, the combined scored multiple-choice questions from all sources — including AI — performed “above the psychometric target of 0.80.”
"I dunno why you guys are complaining, we measured our exam to be 80% accurate!"
Found a thread doing numbers on Bluesky, about Google's AI summaries producing hot garbage (as usual):
Also on the BlueSky-o-tubes today, I saw this from Ketan Joshi:
Used [hugging face]'s new tool to multiply 2 five digit numbers
Chatbot: wrong answer, 0.3 watthours
Calc: right answer, 0.00000011 watthours (2.5 million times less energy)
Julien Delavande , an engineer at AI research firm Hugging Face , has developed a tool that shows in real time the power consumption of the chatbot generating
gnnnnnngh
this shit pisses me off so bad
there's actually quantifiable shit you can use across vendors[0]. there's even some software[1] you can just slap in place and get some good free easy numbers with! these things are real! and are usable!
"measure the power consumption of the chatbot generating"
I'm sorry you fucking what? just how exactly are you getting wattage out of openai? are you lovingly coaxing the model to lie to you about total flops spent?
[0] - intel's def been better on this for a while but leaving that aside for now..
[1] - it's very open source! (when I last looked there was no continual in-process sampling so you got hella at-observation sampling problems; but, y'know, can be dealt with)
I tried this a couple of times and got a few "AI summary not available" replies
Ed: heh
The phrase "any pork in a swarm" is an idiom, likely meant to be interpreted figuratively. It's not a literal reference to a swarm of bees or other animals containing pork. The most likely interpretation is that it is being used to describe a situation or group where someone is secretly taking advantage of resources, opportunities, or power for their own benefit, often in a way that is not transparent or ethical. It implies that individuals within a larger group are actively participating in corruption or exploitation.
Generative AI is experimental.
NOT THE (PORK-FILLED) BEES!
Now we know why dogs eat bees!
The link opened up another google search with the same query, tho without the AI summary.
image of a google search result description
Query: “a bear fries bacon meaning”
AI summary:
The phrase "a bear fries bacon" is a play on the saying "a cat dreams of fish" which is a whimsical way to express a craving. In this case, the "bear" and "bacon" are just random pairings. It's not meant to be a literal description of a bear cooking bacon. It's a fun, nonsensical phrase that people may use to express an unusual or unexpected thought or craving, according to Google Search.
It really aggressively tries to match it up to something with similar keywords and structure, which is kind of interesting in its own right. It pattern-matched every variant I could come up with for "when all you have is..." for example.
Honestly it's kind of an interesting question and limitation for this kind of LLM. How should you respond when someone asks about an idiom neither of you know? The answer is really contextual. Sometimes it's better to try and help them piece together what it means, other times it's more important to acknowledge that this isn't actually a common expression or to try and provide accurate sourcing. The LLM, of course, has none of that context and because the patterns it replicates don't allow expressions of uncertainty or digressions it can't actually do both.
You, a human can respond like that, a llm, esp a search one with the implied authority it has should admit it doesnt know things. It shouldn't make up things, or use sensational clickbait headlines to make up a story.
pic of tweet reply taken from r/ArtistHate. Reminded me of Saltman's Oppenheimer tweet. Link to original tweet
image/tweet description
Original tweet, by @mark_k:
Forget "Black Mirror", we need WHITE MIRROR
An optimistic sci-fi show about cool technology and hot it relates to society.
Attached to the original tweet are two images, side-to-side.
On the left/leading side is (presumably) a real promo poster for the newest black mirror season. It is an extreme close-up of the side of a person's face; only one eye, part of the respective eyebrow, and a section of hair are visible. Their head is tilted ninety degrees upwards, with the one visible eye glazed over in a cloudy white. Attached to their temple is a circular device with a smiling face design, tilted 45 degrees to the left. Said device is a reference to the many neural interface devices seen throughout the series. The device itself is mostly shrouded in shadow, likely indicating the dark tone for which Black Mirror is known. Below the device are three lines of text: "Plug back in"/"A Netflix Series"/"Black Mirror"
On the right side is an LLM generated imitation of the first poster. It appears to be a woman's 3/4 profile, looking up at 45 degrees. She is smiling, and her eyes are clear. A device is attached to her face, but not on her temple, instead it's about halfway between her ear and the tip of her smile, roughly outside where her upper molars would be. The device is lit up and smiling, the smile aligned vertically. There are also three lines of text below the device, reading: "Stay connected"/"A Netflix Series"/"Black Mirror"
Reply to the tweet, by @realfuzzylegend:
I am always fascinated by how tech bros do not understand art. like at all. they don't understand the purpose of creative expression.
Imagine the horrible product they would have created if they had actually followed up on the oppenheimer thing. A soulless vaguely wrong feeling pro technology movie created by altman and musk. The amount of people it would have driven away would have been big.
oppenheimer teaches all of us that even if you specifically learn arcane knowledge to devise a nazi-burning machine, you can still get fucked over by a nazi that chose to do office politics and propaganda instead
Vacant, glassy-eyed, plastic-skinned, stamped with a smiley face... "optimistic"
I mean, if the smiley were aligned properly, it would be a poster for a horror story about enforced happiness and mandatory beauty standards. (E.g., "Number 12 Looks Just Like You" from the famously subtle Twilight Zone.) With the smiley as it is, it's just incompetent.
"The man in the glowing rectangle is Mark Kretschmann, a technology enthusiast who has grown out of touch with all but the most venal human emotions. Mark is a leveller, in that he wants to drag all people down to his. But as Mark is about to discover, there's no way to engineer a prompt for a map out of... the Twilight Zone."
I mean, it feels like there's definitely something in the concept of a Where Is Everybody style of episode where Mark has to navigate a world where dead internet theory has hit the real world and all around him are bots badly imitating workers trying to serve bots badly imitating customers in order to please bots badly imitating managers so that bots badly imitating cops don't drag them to robot jail
about cool technology and how it relates to society
My dude I've got bad news for you about what Black Mirror is about.
We have that already, it's called ads.
Why are all the stories about the torment nexus we’re constructing so depressing?
Hmm, hmm. This is a tricky one.
need to see those proposed community notes
Show HN: AI Paying with Bitcoin and Lightning – A Working Demo
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43770953
@o7___o7 @BlueMonday1984 hey cool they made something that absolutely nobody wants or will ever use
A service that gives a bullshit engine unsupervised access to the irreversible-transaction machine? What could possibly go wrong?
Otoh, this does open up the potential for a headline like 'Chatgpt sanctioned for using stolen cryptocurrency assets.'
ChatGPT finally achieved profitability due to unintended money laundering at unprecedented scale.
exploitation-offshorer "Nick Huber" (@sweatystartup) finds that the leopards will, in fact, also eat his face. but still takes it as a fine opportunity to pitch his exploitation:
(I guess at least his account name is directionally accurate? indicates willingness to induce sweatshops...)
tweet 1
I was pro tariffs.
Until about 30 of our clients at Somewhere dot com cancelled searches over the past three weeks. Hiring freezes all over the place.
Hit me in the pocket book already.
REMOVE TARIFFS.
tweet 2
By the way:
If you want to hire folks internationally for 80% less than US employees, check out somewhere[.]com or send me a DM for a discount.
Is that the tomato scale guy?
looks to be! thanks, I’d seen that before and remember the incident, but I’m beyond abysmal at names
(this is a problem to solve, I know)
This might be tangential/way off-topic and more MoreWrite material than stub, but anyhoo:
Acronym-based misinformation campaigns I would like to seed:
- Internet debate clubs should start using “ASMR” to mean “A steel man risk”
- Opus dei, the absolutely real sect of the catholic church most famous for being the villains in the fiction IP “the Da Vinci Code”, is in fact the DEI branch of the catholic church.
- The company KFC has been commissioned by the Chinese Government to use FLG in its marketing, standing for “finger licking good” to drop Fa Lun Gong in search rankings for FLG.
If I think of more I’ll post them.
LMFAO, best known for "Party Rock Anthem", is actually a failed leftist yodaist sect, standing for the warning "Leopards, my face, ate off"
took me 3 tries to read "yodaist" correctly (brain kept going s/d/g/ which, well..)
I thought of the old sneerclub/ssc poster (def not a regular on the former, while a former regular on the latter) yodatsracist
Personally id not use disinformation as a tool. It is what got us into this mess, and you are also helping the actual goal of the flooding the zone with misinformation tactic. People stop believing in things.
Ok, that's fair enough. The framing of "misinformation [...] I would like to seed" was just there to frame the bits. I don't really want these bits to take off.
Allright, let me put my 'warnings for young demonologists' guidebook to the side. ;).
for the betterment of muddled waters, I suggest a secondary meaning for opus dei - a WIP codec that the xiph group hasn't really released yet, because they're not sure it fully enough mutes maga voices
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