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I give it two weeks before this reversal, too, is reversed, and then two more weeks until that reversed reversal is reversed (lemmy.world)
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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Someone elsewhere on lemmy made the argument that conservatives essentially live in the eternal now. Any position is at that moment evaluated on if it's good for them/their-group or not. Past responses don't matter. Internal consistency doesn't matter. It's just "is this good for me right now?"

They're trash people, essentially.

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago

Oh so they're LLMs, got it.

...thay actually makes a lot of things nake a lot of sense.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You shouldnt make decisions just to make sure your past decisions remain consistent. You aren't required to defend past responses either, people change often.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You shouldn't do the George W Bush "Believe the same thing on Monday as Wednesday, no matter what happens Tuesday" thing, no. But you should ideally have some underlying belief system that's more sophisticated than "What is best for me right now?"

The whole "the only moral abortion is my abortion" thing is understandable but also kind of reprehensible. People will make a big stink about how abortion is murder, only horrible people do it because they suck at life. And then they have a pregnancy, and they're like "oh well this is different." If you're not going to reconcile those, you're shit. You can say "I was wrong, and the people I was shitting on were in positions like I am now. I didn't understand, and now I do. I was wrong."

You're not required by cosmic forces to defend past beliefs, but a decent person can acknowledge where and why they changed.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

But if your decision now conflicts with your decision then, you should own up to the fact that your beliefs changed and tell people why.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

That's true. This is more of a 'they had a position then for bad reasons and they have a position now for bad reasons, regardless of whether what is happening is good or not' situation.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

"It wasn't about mass deportation, it was about violent criminals."

They have all their bases covered and can bounce between them as necessary.

[–] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Nah, we have way too many people on record saying it was specifically about "illegal immigration", regardless of any other criminal history. They used that excuse every time an immigrant with no criminal record was deported. Letting them jump from base to base is a mistake. Catch them before they get there and shove their face in it.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Almost. It's one of those conflating things. They say "criminal illegals," then talk about violent criminals shortly afterward to cement that connection.

As for non-violent immigrants, it becomes "they broke the law by being here" and they get no sympathy regardless, and they're still lumped into the "criminal illegal" group.

It's the same thing with trans people. They want to conflate gender affirming care with the final steps of transition, namely bottom surgery. Therefore when the average republican sees "gender affirming care for minors" which in every case is simply lived experience, hormone blockers, and maybe hrt, they see "chopping off kid's dicks."

[–] Mohamed@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah they do that. It is really sneaky to call illegal immigrants criminals because of their illegal immigration. It's like someone being called a criminal just for resisting arrest.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Catch them? They don't care. You should read 1984.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Monty Python sacked quote

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 13 points 2 days ago

Thanks Monty

[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A moose once bit my hamberder

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

He's just pulling it all back as he slowly realizes how the real world works, but he still has to sell it as a win to his peons. It would be so fucking funny, if it it wasn't so horrible.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

IDK who needs to hear this but Trump saying stuff isn't policy.

He isn't bringing people back after deporting them. He isn't removing taxes for people who make less than 147k. He can't force other countries to pay tariffs.

Don't talk about his stupid ass mouth when you could be talking about his signatures.

[–] fsr1967@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

He's not playing 5-d chess, he's playing Uno!

[–] Iamnotafish@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago

With Magic the Gathering cards…

[–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

He's playing Uno on the 5d chessboard, and all the adults are just sighing at the rammy child.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 32 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The article I read explained that his was basically a threat. Leave now and we totally pinky promise that we'll immediately work to get you back in legally. If you don't leave now we'll never let you back in. Why they can't just set something up where these people can go and do the paperwork to "immigrate legally" from where ever they're currently at I don't know.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sounds an awful lot like "a path to citizenship" if you ask me. A phrase which has had politicians frothing at the mouth for some time now.

[–] tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

They have been an underclass for hundreds of years, Trump thinks that will stay, but the times will change

[–] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why they can’t just set something up where these people can go and do the paperwork to “immigrate legally” from where ever they’re currently at I don’t know.

We already have a system that does that. It's called "immigration court", and the vast majority of them show up for it.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Fun Fact (not-so-fun fact): Immigration Court is not a real "court", its an admistrative proceeding under the executive branch. The president can just dismantle it.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Because the whole point is to have a group of workers without rights or advocates. Noone ever seems to ask why people keep hiring illegal immigrants, just focus on why they would come here.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago

Even over here in Australia you have to leave the country to renew or change visas, then come back

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

That's B.S.! (Buy Sell).

[–] slothrop@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Two weeks is generous.
Surely he changes his Depends more often....

[–] Iamnotafish@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You think he changes his own depends? I think that is a daily volunteer job. I hear people usually have to arm wrestle Marjorie Taylor Greene for it.

[–] admin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

I'm sure MTG is GLAD to be of help changing his diapers.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

wait till they start calling people criticising Trump anti immigrant and anti human rights. has happened before on other issues so completely plausible

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Is it just me, or is this better than the current system? If these people who are currently in the country illegally can leave, then come back legally, isn't that an improvement?

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

This is about filling out their database... Don't be fooled by the whims of a madman.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

It's like Tariff Uno and president FuckFace von CLownStick has infinite reverso cards.

[–] ScrambledEggs@lazysoci.al 5 points 2 days ago

"art of the deal"

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

He could do what he did in his first term; parole them back into the US, and then blame it on the next guy.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Flip flop 47.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can load up all the tariffs he wants, but a country can't produce its own goods with 4% unemployment and mass deportations. I wonder what his workforce plan is for producing things in-house when the deficit is millions and millions of people.

[–] WordBox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Think about the children.