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The murders sparked protests in Messina, Rome and other Italian cities, including Bologna, on Wednesday night. Further events are planned on Thursday.

In March, Giorgia Meloni’s government approved a draft law which for the first time introduced a legal definition of femicide in criminal law, punishing it with life in prison while increasing sentences for crimes including stalking, sexual violence and “revenge porn”.

The law followed the strong public reaction to the killing of Giulia Cecchettin, a 22-year-old student who was murdered by her former boyfriend, Filippo Turetta, in November 2023. Turetta was sentenced to life in prison in December.

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[–] Cocopanda@futurology.today 1 points 2 hours ago

Gotta love when racists use a single instance to push their hate. Yet most Rapist and Pedo’s in Italy are White. Hmmmmmmmmm. Maybe the whites should be locked up at birth to protect people.

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmings.world -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I guess they can't blame this on foreigners can they?

Watch this news get buried so fast.

[–] neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 53 minutes ago (1 children)

They are literally lancating a new law, maybe read the fucking artocle?

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmings.world 1 points 42 minutes ago

I meant in the news cycle here in America. My bad for not specifying.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 90 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Extreme punitive measures from the police and carceral organs of the state will not solve misogynistic violence. I’m glad people are fired up about the problem but this is the wrong approach. It’s been tried 1000 times for other things and it never works.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

This

For a country like Italy, it will also require a cultural shift. I know they love their macho style hombres but that comes with a downside. I dunno, start at schools perhaps, where you can teach children from little to big on how they should interact together?

The exact same goes for Mexico

[–] mattreb@feddit.it 46 points 1 day ago

But it works well for public opinion, which is what politicians care about most, unfortunately

[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (10 children)

But it will take the people who commit violence against women off the street. There are times when prison is not about rehabilitation its simply about removing danger.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 21 hours ago

Only after they do it. It doesn't prevent anything.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Isolation is the one part of the carceral system that does have some effect, but I don’t think it’s the best way to achieve even that part.

I guess I don’t know the previous situation in Italy with regards to this issue. Was there a large number of people getting caught for these offenses and then released? Because killing someone and locking them up for 20 years is basically just as good from the perspective of separating victim and offender. It would be better to focus on consistent investigation and capture than on harsher penalties.

Or on programs that work to prevent violence in the first place. But we would only pursue those if we cared more about helping potential victims than about hurting offenders. That doesn’t seem to be the priority for most people.

[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're not looking to prevent violence they're looking to isolate violence.

Prison has never and will never be a deterrence

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 21 hours ago

Their point was money is being spent. Is it not best spent on actually stopping this from happening?

We know that this isn't actually about that and prison is not either. That's not the point. The point is people are fighting for the wrong things if they actually want to help.

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Italy probably has a different culture. Maybe it will work there, or they'll learn the hard way.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

"It is often said 'not all men'. But they are always men." Elena, sister of 22-year-old Italian Giulia Cecchettin who was brutally murdered by her former boyfriend.

https://www.americanchronicles.news/harsh-letter-from-the-sister-of-a-femicide-victim-for-giulia-do-not-have-a-minute-of-silence-for-giulia-burn-everything/

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's a very hyperbolic statement, and studies suggest about a quarter of spousal murders are committed by women. Closer to 3 in 8 in America.

[–] Katrisia@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

How many of those were self-defense (from either sex)? I wouldn't mix them for this discussion.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 hours ago

You can try as much as you like to excuse women from responsibility for killing their partners, but the fact of the matter is, women can be just as ruthless as men, just usually in different ways.

Maternal infanticide is still a thing, and a "pediatric study of mothers in the general population found that 70% of mothers with colicky infants experienced explicit aggressive thoughts toward their infants, and over a quarter (26%) of them had infanticidal thoughts during colic episodes". So, 26% of these kind and loving creatures thought of killing their own child because they cried a lot.

There is a gender disparity, and a much greater difference in expression, but if you want to deal with the root causes of violence, you will have to look beyond gender.

And no, I don't have a pile of these saved up. I'm just willing to accept that people are people, regardless of gender or a myriad of other demographics, unless a clear link is shown between the demographic and the behavior being examined. The trend towards being shitty has far greater factors than gender.

[–] lumony@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's possible for it to always be men yet still not apply to all men.

Shocker, I know.

Some of these people need a remedial English course.

Some of these people probably said that in Italian anyways.

And I don't expect that kind of nuance from someone whose sister just got murdered.

[–] Sequence5666@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

OP, just trying to understand and learn. Why are all your posts fear and rage inducing? All your posts are less than two days old and all of them are articles about problematic topics.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

All my posts are not 2 days old, and I posted a good news story today.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/35507046

[–] rimu@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I appreciate your posts, keep it up!

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