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Carney May Be Better Than Poilievre, But Serious Issues Remain (www.readthemaple.com)
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In perhaps his most disappointing policy announcement thus far, Carney has indicated he will scrap the Liberal's plan to increase the capital gains inclusion rate. This mildly progressive measure was directed squarely at the passive incomes of the wealthiest sliver of Canadians and would have served as a healthy revenue generator. Instead, it's destined for the scrapheap.

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[–] UnderFreyja@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

DON'T LET PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD

Vote red but keep the pressure on them, talk to your representatives and make your voices heard, because you know that the CPC won't care what you say, they never did.

First step is we elect a Liberal Government. Second step is we continue the fight and put pressure on them for proportional representation, de-americanizing our cloud infrastructures, gaining our independence and making our country stronger in the face of the world's instability.

We need to build, we need to make alliances, we need someone that has strong negotiation skills.

Plus, as others have said, if you don't have to vote Liberal because you're in a place where the Conservatives have no chance, it's ok to vote with your heart/morals etc.

[–] thatsmysandwich@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago

exactly, no one say Carney is gonna be perfect. actually no matter who win, there will ALWAYS be issue. because no single policy will be pleasing to everyone.
but lets just say if PP win.. we have PROBLEMS. not just issues. and at this point, Carney is the BEST option.

[–] SaturdayMorning@lemmy.ca 8 points 23 hours ago

My riding is a conservative stronghold, but I'm still going to vote for my local Liberal candidate. As soon as Election Canada received my local Liberal candidate's nomination application, I'm planning to scrape together some funds and donate to them.

[–] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I rather not vote red or blue. Just going to vote orange.

[–] tracker@sh.itjust.works 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Vote ABC, we don’t want a repeat of what happened south of the border. THEN we can push for proportional representation and secure a political landscape favourable to multi parties.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

After what happened with Trudeau and FPTP, I think the only way this will ever happen is with another minority government.

[–] dankm@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I looked at 338, and the my riding's NDP support appears to be crashing. No liberal has done better than 3rd in a generation, it's always been conservative or NDP #1, conservative or NDP #2, then LPC, then whomever else. The LPC's polling above the NDP at the moment so I'm somewhat torn.

[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

My riding has been a three way race between NDP, Green, and CPC, leaving the LPC a distant 4th. Now it looks like a CPC win with a three way race for second: LPC, Green, and NDP.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Please please please people don't parrot brain-dead American takes that not voting for Carney is voting for PP. We are running a parliamentary election in a Westminster system. There is no single election, there are 338 elections. We don't elect a prime minister, we elect a parliament.

Think, and vote strategically.

While it is absolutely true that the blackmail holds in ridings where it's a competitive Conservative-Liberal race, it is a shit take in ridings where eg the race is between Conservatives and NDP (where Liberals would be the spoiler) or where the race is between the Liberals and the NDP, or the Bloc or the Greens (a Liberal minority dependent on the NDP/BQ/GP is actually a possible outcome that keeps PP out power and can moderate Carney's neoliberal tendencies).

So, basically if the conservatives have a chance to win your riding, vote whoever has the highest chance to keep them out. Otherwise, vote your conscience.

[–] MacroCyclo@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vote! It's as easy as ABC.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 2 points 17 hours ago

Easy as do-re-mi, ABC, 1-2-3, baby you and me!

[–] el_muerte@lemm.ee 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I've been saying for weeks now, thirty years ago this dude would've landed solidly Progressive Conservative.

I'm still gonna vote Liberal to keep PP out, but they ain't my preference.

[–] TheGoddessAnoia@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago

You and me both. Carney is Progressive Conservative, whether that party still exists or not. And, yes, if I must, I must, although I've had it up to here with having to vote for a party I dislike just because the only other viable option is so much worse. There are days I shed a tear, even now, for Jack Layton: he was no more than mildly left, but, damn! I wish he'd had his chance!

[–] MacroCyclo@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And where would Trudeau land? Green party or the "green" party is my bet.

[–] el_muerte@lemm.ee 3 points 21 hours ago

Right, because buying a pipeline to ensure it will be completed, allowing for even more oil extraction, is definitely the sort of thing the Green party would do...

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 31 points 1 day ago

He's not Mr. Right...but he is Mr. Right Now.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here we go huh?

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Was there ever any doubt? Given his history, it's pretty clear where his policy priorities are gonna land.

Like OP says, Poilievre appears to have worse policies than Carney, but that doesn't mean Carney deserves carte blanche.

[–] darcmage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed. The recent Canadaland episode highlights this pretty well. I don't know how out of context the audio snippets of Carney's answers about his blind trusts are but he needs to do better and not just better than PP.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We'll see with time.

The "you need to look within yourself" line was not a good look: it's a reporter's job to question, and it's a politician's job to answer reasonable questions. Hopefully he'll ~~be less of a jerk~~ answer politely next time.

I'm holding out for the policy release, and hoping that the Liberals have decent answers to the cost of living and housing crisis.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I thought that line was great.

Barton had gone too far, from the swearing in ceremony complaining that 13/11 male female split was biased to demanding that implying with all rules isn’t sufficient and he’s only in this for the rich.

The question itself was accusatory. I’m so tired of this kind of politics.

It’s also a huge double standard. How can we trust Polievre to work for Canada when he has significant rental properties totalling more than Carneys stocks, and energy stocks that his policies would instantly boost? Why aren’t they asking if he will recuse himself from all housing and energy decisions?

And that’s not to say we should settle for the lowest standard, but putting hood assets in a blind trust should be considered good.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Journalists hold politicians to account, and ask them to justify their decisions. If journalists don't ask accusatory questions, then they aren't doing their job.

It's totally reasonable to say that journalists should be harder on Poilievre, but that doesn't mean they should stop asking Carney questions.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 2 points 18 hours ago

It’s totally reasonable to say that journalists should be harder on Poilievre, but that doesn’t mean they should stop asking Carney questions.

My perspective is that I don’t think the attacks on Carney are warranted, a lot of them feel unreasonable and unrealistic.

If Carney’s assets are in a blind trust, he can’t list them. If they’re in a blind trust it doesn’t matter what he owned 6 months ago, because the trust may have reallocated some or all of those assets already.

The question really is “how are you enriching yourself at our expense” and honestly I do agree that journalists need to look at themselves here. I am not hearing these questions about the other side of the aisle that they’re trying to see “unbiased” towards. And that doesn’t mean that asking Carney questions has to stop, but I’m getting fed up with the coverage.

[–] Dearche@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

It's either a guy who's a mix of good and bad, or several others that are basically 90%+ all bad.

The question isn't why people shouldn't vote for Carney, but rather is there anybody else worth voting for? Has any of his opponents done anything beneficial for Canada in recent history?

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Alright, NDP it is then, just like every other election.

Edit: I'm talking about my personal vote. Am I being downvoted for this? Could I get some feedback as well?

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's kinda a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If you follow the ABC (anything but conservative) "strategic" crowd, then you slowly push Canada towards a two party system. If you vote for someone who actually represents your political views, then you potentially help get PP elected.

This is why proportional representation is so important, and why I single-issue voted for Trudeau, as he promised to fix what is in my opinion the biggest problem with our current political system. The Liberals proved they can't be trusted to properly follow through on their promises, so I can't, in good conscience, give them my vote again until they prove themselves trustworthy.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The move towards a two-party system is inevitable under first-past-the-post voting systems. This is why I considered Trudeau's betrayal of electoral reform to be a generational stab-in-the-back and swore I would never vote Liberal again.

And first-past-the-post is also why I am breaking that vow and voting Liberal in the upcoming election. My riding happens to be a "tossup" between Conservative and Liberal, and in this particular election I can't afford to "vote my conscience". The existence of Canada is at stake. And so I hold my nose really hard and recognize the reality of the facts before me.

Some people may be fortunate enough to be in ridings where a vote for NDP wouldn't literally help put Poilievre in power, but I am not. I must do what I can to actually help. I recommend everyone check your riding's polling numbers to confirm whether you have that luxury.

[–] RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My riding has been conservative for decades, so I get to vote for whoever I want. Not that it matters. :\

[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It does matter, if nothing else in that you voted, and if not PC, then it is recorded that not 100% in your riding want PC. Don't please let FPTP dissuade you from voting at all.

[–] RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

Oh I vote every election.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I hope nobody took my comment to suggest that it's not worth voting at all in a "safe" riding. Frankly that's a bit liberating, if I was in a riding that was already certain to go to any party (Conservative, Liberal, Natural Law, whatever) then that would mean I was free to vote my conscience. The popular vote doesn't mean anything in absolute legal terms but it's still a nice bit of psychological pressure to apply.

[–] unome@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

My riding last election was tied 50/50 liberals NDP and yet even adding up all those votes conservatives would still win. I assume a lower con and higher lib turnout this time around but honestly I can't be sure, I think the con voters here are lifetime.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think that's actually true. I detest FPTP but Westminster systems all around have all sorts of smaller parties that work because they have concentrated power bases. The NDP, the Bloc, etc have been electing MPs for decades. If what you're saying is true, they would have been disappeared by now.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

It's good that we have that but we can still yearn for more.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

We do not have 2 party system. NDP still wins seats, and should continue to do so. Greens have seats. Understand your riding's politics for ABC vote.

[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I already voted for Carney to lead the Libs, but I'll not be voting for him in the general election if he doesn't answer these ~~questions~~ issues three:

We need to see proportional representation. It will drive engagement, especially for this campaign.

We need to see a return to the days of the 1% and corporations paying their fair share, since they are the ones who most benefit from our systems and infrastructure.

We need an end to welfare for the 1% and corporations. We know what a balance sheet is, and so does Carney.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

RCV is not categorically worse than PP.

[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

They're the same thing with different shoes on. If you're referring to RCV vs. FPTP.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm curious if it's the "you'll split the vote" chucklefucks or conservatives.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm wondering too, because that's not looking to be a concern for me.

Edit: my riding

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It should be riding/regional based. There are NDP strongholds still, and LPC vote could split resulting in CPC win. Media won't help you understand this.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Agreed, but speaking for myself, continuing to vote NDP isn't looking like it will impact anything.

[–] CheetahPitah@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

There will always be issues to address. There is no such thing as a perfect candidate regardless of the global political climate at any given time.

Is Carney perfect? No, but he is our best bet right now by a staggering margin.

[–] JoeDyrt@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Opinions! Just like asholes; everybody’s got one.