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Reading about FOSS philosophy, degoogling, becoming against corporations, and now a full-blown woke communist (like Linus Torvalds)

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[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 191 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (19 children)

I was feeling the last part had some more story behind it so I went ahead and found this:

Seems like I'm a full-blown woke communist too

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 68 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Doesn't read like he's an actual communist, more insulting people (rightly so) that would call liberals communists.

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[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 51 points 2 years ago (3 children)

er... did torvalds just say trans rights? based alert

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[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's strange to me that any of the things he said is controversial.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 137 points 2 years ago (17 children)

Linux and open source in general completely blow apart capitalist arguments that profit motive is necessary for innovation and technological advancement. Open source ecosystem primarily run by volunteers has produces some of the most interesting and innovative technologies that we've seen. The reality is that people make interesting things because they're curious and they enjoy making stuff. Pretty much nobody makes anything interesting with profit being the primary motive.

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 49 points 2 years ago (3 children)

capitalist arguments that profit motive is necessary for innovation and technological advancement

I don't know who is arguing this because it's incredibly stupid. The greatest scientific minds of history, the mathematicians, the physicists, the inventors, were not capitalists, they're people with passion for their work.

If we move to a society that guarantees basic human needs and good education, we're only going to have more scientists and engineers that progress technology even faster.

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[–] S_H_K@lemmy.fmhy.net 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The innovation argument is shaky at best many of the corporations innovations are brought or copied really. Is a story that became pretty common in the latest decades one guy come with a good idea some other mofo takes it and profits with it.

[–] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's why it's important to use hard copyleft licenses like the GPLv3 instead of merely open-source MIT or BSD licenses wherever possible when you publish software.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago

Indeed, the corps did a whole campaign lobbying for permissive licenses precisely so they could plunder open source work. Hard copyleft should be used for any serious project.

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[–] thanksforallthefish 112 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Context for those who are baffled (I was)

https://news.itsfoss.com/linus-torvalds-woke-communists/

No Linus hasn't grabbed a red rag and isn't off to foment revolution

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I liked the take by the utterly clueless Polish guy in the comment. I think his complete lack of understanding of any context is quite typical of online political conversation, especially when semantics come into play.

Also Linus did call for "Total world domination" (I have the tshirt).

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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 82 points 2 years ago (14 children)

The Linux to trans anarchocommunist catgirl pipeline is very real. The moment you move to Arch it's already over.

[–] Caitlynn@feddit.de 24 points 2 years ago

I'm feeling called out

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[–] ConfusedLlama@kbin.social 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (19 children)

rant:

I have been using Linux since 2006, a lefty and against the super-rich and big corporations since I remember (to the point of avoiding their products like the plague), also never having understood or accepted gender roles and other stupid traditional concepts, yet never turned into a communist 🤷

It baffles me that so many people think that respecting gender equality, understanding the evil in big corporations and avoiding them, valuing community and being tolerant (except for intolerance) and against discrimination somehow equals communism... I say this because I've been called a communist by many people who know me, while I have always rejected it explicitly!

/rant

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Linus Torvalds is a "full-blown woke communist"? Citation needed.

I have been a FOSS enthusiast since my preteen or early teenage years (mid-to-late 2000s), yet I am not in any sense a communist.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (3 children)

"full-blown woke communist" is US-speak for "Scandinavian socialist"

[–] DragonTypeWyvern 26 points 2 years ago

The term you want is social democrat, which isn't socialism but hey, it tries to like, stop people starving to death on the street, if only because it looks ugly.

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[–] bear@slrpnk.net 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Celediel@slrpnk.net 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I now love Debian more than I previously thought possible.

brb installing Debian on all my hardware.

edit: there's a fortune-anarchism too, amazing.

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[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

ITT: people who have no idea what communism is

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[–] icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works 37 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Fine, but dont defend tyranical regimes. They are bad no mather who they say they read. They could could claim to be following the teachings of fucking Mr Roggers but if they have concentration camps then thats not utopic or very humanitarian in my opinion, specially if ther is some mad dictator in power with everything no matter how manny extra steps are in between.

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[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

...I just didn't want windows advertising to me.

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[–] thebrownhaze@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] tal@kbin.social 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

https://moneyinc.com/linus-torvalds-net-worth/

How Linus Torvalds Achieved a Net Worth of $150 Million

Red Hat and VA Linux went public, and since they acknowledged it would not have been possible without the programmer, Torvalds received shares reportedly worth $20 million. Before it went public, Red Hat had allegedly paid Torvalds $1 million in stock, which the programmer claims was the only big payout he received.

He revealed that the rest of the stock Transmeta and another Linux startup awarded him were not worth much by the time he could sell them. However, in the case of his Red Hat stock, it must have been worth his while because, in 2012, Red Hat became the first $1 billion open-source company when it reached the billion-dollar mark in annual revenue.

Whether he exercised his stock options is unclear, but the money he makes from the gains could be the reason why his net worth has continued to soar.

Well, that's one definition of being communist, I suppose. Myself, I think that it's fairly safe to say that Torvalds is okay with private ownership of industry.

[–] spookedbyroaches@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago

People may have read this and got too excited. He just believes in socially left policy. He's probably not a communist.

[–] askat@programming.dev 21 points 2 years ago

I don't know about his political views, but I think Linus deserves every last penny he got from Red Hat.

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[–] stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi 29 points 2 years ago (20 children)

Yeah, I love the FOSS philosophy and I would be a communist if I didn't know that in my country and in every other country where communism is/was, it became a dictatorship doing reallly horrible things. I simply don't have the trust in people to believe communism is possible without violation of human rights. It's sad.

[–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

in every other country where communism is/was

There is not a single country that has achieved communism.

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[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 28 points 2 years ago (18 children)

Fuck communist statist, foss is pure anarchism.

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (3 children)

My ~~brother in Christ~~ Comrade in the revolution, Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society. Whatever self-proclaimed "Statist Communists" thare are, are no-more Communist than the National "Socialists" who sent our kind to the death camps.

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[–] Rumo@feddit.de 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Anarchism does not necessarily exclude Communism! :)

Good Explanations: https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/index.html for those interested

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[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Literally same, even the years match up lol

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[–] Koffiato@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago (11 children)

What? These things are not related to each other by a good margin. In fact, since the FOSS is completely orderless, it goes against communism; which requires some sort of order just to be able to function. But either way, the parallel is not there or questionable at best, not to mention irrelevant.

Can we NOT drag useless politics into FOSS?

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[–] whou@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I too just turned into a Marxist after finding out about Linux and software freedom in 2020 lol

I think there might be more than a handful of us. Welcome, comrade.

[–] imAadesh@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago
[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wow. Im pretty centerist on capitalism and I have been using linux since about 2000 or so.

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