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[โ€“] commander@lemmings.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think Steam might be the only private company in this.

Really says a lot.

[โ€“] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It does.

Private companies are - often - not driven by pure greed. The people work hard for their company to be successful and they are much less likely to fuck it all over with a stupid move.

Public companies, however, are controlled by a bunch of money motivated monkeys that couldn't give a rats ass about a company's future. They'll bleed it all dry and go to the next company.

[โ€“] RelativityRanger@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Dude, Steam is selling games you don't own. How greedy is that?

[โ€“] Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

least socialist lemmy user

[โ€“] Kualdir@feddit.nl 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Steam is still basically the only option AND they are actually helping Linux a lot with game compatibility. Altough, if I need games specifically on steam I'll be buying the key from Greenmangaming (UK) or GamersGate (Sweden). If anybody has more alternatives feel free to let me know so I can add them to my list.

GOG sadly misses a majority of games atm so I just can't replace steam with it yet.

[โ€“] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Third party key market places are kinda iffy, and there have been numerous cases of the keys being offered on there having been bought with stolen credit cards, or otherwise generated in ways that aren't quite above board.

I remember one interview with an indy dev in which they said they prefer people pirating, because chargebacks from stolen cards are actively costing them money.

For people who feel they need the entertainment games provide, but can't afford current prices, I feel pirating games from conglomerates, and buying from smaller studios and indies is the most socially responsible way to do it, but I'm not your mum.

Edit: Huh, looks like greenmangaming gets their keys directly from the publishers. Didn't know that was a thing. Guess I was a bit quick on the trigger there, should have checked first. Sorry about that.

[โ€“] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

G2A is probably the big example of Devs prefering you pirate instead of buying.

Only use G2A if you actively wish harm on the company making the game.

[โ€“] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 months ago

Don't use G2A even if you wish harm on the company making the game, it's still supporting scammers and thieves, just pirate the game.

[โ€“] Emptiness@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

isthereanydeal.com

No grey market key sellers, only legit.

[โ€“] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Huge plus that they aren't publicly traded and forced to chase profits above all. Plus their employees are far and wide the best paid in the industry, and they never do mass lay offs.

[โ€“] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

This is a somewhat naive view when you consider Gabeโ€™s multiple super-yachts. And ofc all the gambling.

[โ€“] Tenderizer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

The important part is that Valve doesn't need to sell it's own kidneys (and enshitifies it's service) just to appease shareholders. I like that Valve chooses to be evil, rather than being required to by law.

[โ€“] Ghost33313@beehaw.org 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't believe gog will ever have a full library. They require all their games to be DRM free. Until corporate gaming changes GOG won't.

[โ€“] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

Thats a plus for me, and why when I buy its through gog. My steam library is large, but hasn't grown in years.

[โ€“] Delta_V@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I sometimes feel an anxiety when pondering what will happen when daddy Gabe isn't here to keep the wolves at bay.

[โ€“] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

me: steam is terrible; it's just drm with a nice bow on top

steam: steam visual novel fest starts now

me: i love steam stuffs more items on my wishlist

(for real tho itch.io and gog are much better use them - and download the actual offline installers from gog don't use galaxy)

[โ€“] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't have started even dual booting Linux if it wasn't for Steam after being pleasantly surprised with my Steam Deck played most of my Steam library. It's the primary why I intend to get AMD gpu next time around for the better driver support, but that won't be for a few years.

[โ€“] zhyl@feddit.uk 1 points 4 months ago

Yep, if you want a reason why Valve are "less evil" than other companies, one big thing to point to is the huge investment they've made into the Linux ecosystem. Even though it's in their own interests (Microsoft locking out steam would cripple their income), we can see with Epic suing Google/Apple that there are other, shittier ways that they could have attempted the same thing. The investment they've made into Linux, Proton, KDE etc benefit everyone and can't be taken away on a whim.

[โ€“] Rusty@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You are allowed to say Fuck on the Internet. Why are you following the self-censorship rules for Instagram and other social networks if you are making a joke about them?

[โ€“] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I realised that those who censor themselves on the Internet, grew up on the Internet when YouTube started demonitising profanities and thus picked up the habit.

We are getting old.

[โ€“] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

youtube was good before googol bought it, now it is crap.

[โ€“] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Daily dose of getting old: that buyout was like 20 years ago

[โ€“] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago

The buyout was less than a year into it existing

Very few actually remember pre-google youtube

[โ€“] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Looks like it was baked into the image template they used

[โ€“] owl@infosec.pub 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I still don't understand why the company is so highly regarded. They enable underage gambling. Life must be easy for a company. You just have to be a little bit better than the others and you are regarded as a hero.

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

i mean, out of all things a company can do that are bad, underage gambling is probably one of the better ones, and the argument in favor of it is that it's on games like csgo and cs2, where the age range is obviously higher than an actual child.

Realistically, i think you have to be kind of stupid to get caught in gambling, but it is also definitely predatory, and there's a reason it's a heavily regulated industry. There's definitely a better solution than we currently have, but it's not as bad as it could be either.

[โ€“] owl@infosec.pub 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"underage gambling is probably one of the better ones", "you have to be kind of stupid to get caught in gambling" you seem like you do not know what you are talking about respectfully.
Have you watched cofeezilla? The industry already has armed mafia structures.

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

i'm just saying, i can think of a lot worse things a company can do. Amazon, notably. Most countries without substantial labor protection laws, probably also rank worse. Countries currently at war, or controlled by gang violence, probably also worse.

The prison industrial complex, that's pretty bad. Spending money because you're mentally incapable of processing how spending money in that fashion is bad, yeah probably possibly to be worse than that.

Have you watched cofeezilla? The industry already has armed mafia structures.

im sorry steam has a militia?

[โ€“] owl@infosec.pub 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sure there is always worse, but you don't have to like B because of what A did.

steam does not, but the economy, that they are center of has. Operators of online skin casinos are adopting mafia tactics. You could say "oh, that is just some fringe groups at the outside", but these actors are deeply embedded with streamers, competitive events and the entire culture.

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yeah that's pretty typical of any sort of "tradeable currency" digital or not, these sites are all hosted in countries with favorable laws, and in places where it's hard to regulate them.

There's shitty people on the internet, should we personally vet and maintain every single user of the internet, or should we just be "moderate" about it. The question of the ages, how much do we actually care about this specific problem.

[โ€“] owl@infosec.pub 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Look, I agree, that they do many good things for consumer protection. They blocked NFT in games and in game advertisement, but they sit at the center of a damaging marketplace and could stop it, but don't and deserve criticism for that.

and it is fair criticism, i have no problem with that. I'm just not sure it's worth demonizing them over. A lot of companies, even good ones, have bad practices, it's just the way the world works, it's hard to do everything absolutely perfectly.

Again, not trying to justify it, i'm just saying there's a level of expectation i think you need to set.

[โ€“] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Costco is cool too! They have local products.

[โ€“] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

Most important of all they compensate their employees like they are actual humans.

[โ€“] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

steam is just so based.

I dont think a single more based company has ever existed. It rivals the greats like linux, with a touch of gambling.

[โ€“] nomy@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I dont think a single more based company has ever existed.

Hyperbole much? I like Steam as much as the next guy but lets not pretend the guy that owns 6 yachts is a good person just because he's better than the next worst. Steam DRMs the shit out of games sold on their platform and if you're an indie dev that wants to sell your game Steam is THE place to do it.

Steam made $10bn last year, they have about 100 employees (their parent company Valve has about 400). I used to be a bigger fan of GabeN but more recently really started considering him and looking into it and realized he's just another unethical billionaire. This video by Coffeezilla is a good jumping off point. regarding the intentional targeting of youth with addictive gambling mechanics in loot crates and circumventing gambling laws. It's all very purposeful and continues to this day.

[โ€“] Gawdl3y@pawb.social 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Steam's DRM is completely optional and is among the least intrusive DRMs available for developers to use. Many games are sold 100% DRM-free on Steam.

[โ€“] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I don't know of a single game on/from Steam that doesn't require Steam to run. Thats DRM.

[โ€“] gnygnygny@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Steam ils not cool. Steam is a monopoly position. This egemony need to end. We need many actors not just one.

[โ€“] madcaesar@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Both things are currently true, they are a monopoly which is not good, but they are also acting nicely for the most part and not fucking people over despite their position

[โ€“] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

they are a monopoly

They are not, they're just a really good service so people use them more than the others

Epic, GOG, Itch, etc. still exist and are widely used

[โ€“] madcaesar@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yea, the same way youtube isn't a monopoly... Except for all practical purposes it is.

[โ€“] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago

Except for all practical purposes it is.

Except it's not, because you can go to multiple other sources

More than YouTube, even, and even YouTube isn't a full monopoly, though it's a lot closer than Steam is

Monopolies aren't just "big companies' you know

[โ€“] Lemjukes@lemm.ee -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Steam may be a very successful business, but theyโ€™re still the seed crystal for a whole ecosystem of gambling that preys on addicts and children with the whole CSGO loot box thing. Take a wild guess what forms of addiction have the highest suicide rates?

Fuck Valve. Fuck all Corps. No business has ever nor can ever, genuinely give a shit about anything other than increasing profit.

[โ€“] RedSnt@feddit.dk 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

On the other hand, Valve wishing to seek an alternative to Microsoft's poor decision^[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_(computer)#cite_note-cvg_newell_linux-2%3A%7E%3Atext=upon+the+release+of+Windows+8+in+2012] making has been a great boon to the Linux community. Valve was also there at the start of Vulkan^[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan#History]. But is "funny" that Gabe Newell started off as a Microsoft employee, in fact the one that led the team that ported Doom to Windows with Doom95 and in turn also helped launch Windows (95) as the gaming OS for decades to come.

As much as I distrust and hate corporations, Valve isn't in it for the shareholders, you can't buy Valve stocks and that means they at least have a bit more soul than a lot of other corporations - even though they are profit seeking.

What I don't like about them is how they sell you a service, not an actual game. You technically buy a lifelong lease on each game, never ownership. Your shit can be gone in minutes with nothing to prove for it, except for bank statements saying Valve took your money.

Which is why I'll always buy on GOG^[https://www.gog.com/en/about_gog] if possible. DRM free and European.

[โ€“] Lemjukes@lemm.ee -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Does everyone just keep glossing over the โ€˜they enable the abuse of addicts and childrenโ€ part?

Iโ€™m not saying I disagree with your other points Iโ€™m just confused.

[โ€“] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because it's a weak-ass point, quite simply. Capitalism itself does that shit, not gonna knock Valve for something every game company does, if we play that game with everyone it gets exhausting

"Wont SOMEBODY think of the children?" Is literally a Simpsons meme

[โ€“] Lemjukes@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Every game company does not operate a gambling system that is the center for a literal whole ecosystem of predatory shady businesses. But that was a halfway decent try at a whataboutism argument /s.

Yes that quote is at the heart of a Simpsons episode. And itโ€™s about people using moral panic crusades as a means of enacting draconian measures of control based on a fear based in falsehood. Valve demonstrably engages in the practices I mentioned so I think your point kind of falls completely on its face. I am glad to see you recognize capitalism as inherently exploitative though.

[โ€“] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago

Every game company does not operate a gambling system that is the center for a literal whole ecosystem of predatory shady businesses.

Making a more specific point after the fact doesn't change the original point.

whataboutism

So busy trying to sound smart you proved you weren't worth engaging with