He might've been a marketing genius
Oncology... not so much
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Where is the "genius"?
I was reading an interesting article the other day about how after World War II people were obviously opposed to populism, and by the '80s and certainly the '90s people that were born after the war had lost the awareness of the danger that hero worship creates.
At the same time, many organizations including government organizations had failed to update themselves over the years, so people romanticized the idea of someone walking in and magically making the correct snap judgments that would remedy the situation. This was so pervasive in the business world I think in part because it allowed corporate executives to justify f****** over ordinary employees. If the company makes or breaks because of one person at the top, who cares if you're paying people minimum wage and they can't even afford to pay for dental care or a car.
What amazed me is how long that vision of Steve Jobs stuck around. Even in recent years people have been praising him, but if you think of the value in his company, it's mostly a load of s***. Those phones and computers are incredibly overpriced, and they have so many bad aspects, especially lock-in, which most people intuitively understand these days. And still we have Apple addicts.
I'm not an Apple fan, I never liked the way he dictated form and function and told everyone to fuck off about their feelings. Now that said, his leadership did bring some things to market that would not have grown organically, for better or for worse.
The competition had to contend with good phone battery life, unibody laptops with high DPI screens, and large touchpads with physical feedback. Left to their own devices, these companies would have just kept regurgitating/iterating the same cheap designs they had made for decades.
He wasn't magic; if he had any superpower, it was attracting and retaining talent.
Jobs created toxic work environments. That’s nothing to envy. Nothing to replicate. But we’re in a capitalist society so fuck your feelings.
That’s nothing to envy.
I don't think that word, or anything like it appeared in my statement.
Your take feels incredibly aggressive. Most people do not want to tinker, they just want their tech to work… Regarding Steve Jobs, are you saying he did not steer Apple to a level of success and prosperity that 99% other companies dream of?
Your opinion of what is overpriced is just your opinion. Apples sales numbers says otherwise, they do not have a monopoly in any market they compete in.
Regarding Steve Jobs, are you saying he did not steer Apple to a level of success and prosperity that 99% other companies dream of?
Congratulations, you have defended ultra capitalism and the destruction of workers and competition for the personal profit of the shareholders.
An apple a day keeps the doctor away
true, with just an apple a day only the forensic pathologist will show up
If you don't have anything funny to say, then don't say anything at all
Steve jobs ain't a genius. He was just a good salesman.
The sales people almost always end up doing well in companies. And then when they get high up in the company they only value others ability to make sales and work for bonuses. As time goes on a company's e-suite gets more and more saturated with charismatic dummies who will do anything for a buck, leaving less room for good administrators and engineers.
Small thing, but I've never heard it called an e-suite, only c-suite. I assume the "e" stands for executive vs the "c" being chief.
He tried to fight P.C. with apples.
Jesus Christ. That is fucking poetry.
where’s the lie?
This 😂. A fucking genius choosing pseudoscience...
Jobs paved the way for Musk. I hate that he's so often cited as a genius to look up to in the tech world
Not musk, the entire silicon valley fake it and hope you make it mindset. Jobs opened the door for Holmes. Jobs opened the door for Uber to completely make up a business plan. Jobs opened the door to Elon buying "founder" status. His genius contribution is in making the tech industry the batch of lying scum it is today.
Which is one of the reasons I'm giving up on working in tech despite having a PhD from my home country in Telecommunications. I have skills and could learn the ones I lack but I just don't have the mindset and attitude and don't feel like developing them. I'd rather code my own projects in my own way while remaining underemployed.
The behind the bastards episodes on Jobs was really eye-opening to just how awful of a leader he was
People mistaking Marketing people for tech genies happens to often.
Maybe, but then you also have people like my brother who basically worship Jobs, and say shit like "Wozniak is expendable."
I told him people like Wozniak are the real geniuses who actually make shit work, and he told me straight faced that without people like Jobs people like Wozniak will probably just have a desk job.
People that worship psuedo intellectuals like Jobs are just coping with that fact that they're less intelligent. Sales dudes love having sales rule over engineering. I'd go as far to say it's difficult to be a decent human being and in sales at the same time.
The cause goes the other way
Edit: Lol sorry not sorry, salespeople
You need a desk to place the components on to build the computer and then to place the computer on, to do the programming.
I'd say, even with Jobs, Wozniak had a desk job.
Of course, unless you use a projector or floor-stands for the monitors and keep the keyboard+mouse on your lap, in which case, you can get away from the desk.
I find it really amusing to know Bill Gates ones made fun of him:
"Steve's achievements are all the more impressive when you know that he couldn't look at a piece of code and know what it was."
However he also said:
"Clearly, he had so many skills that I didn't, but we were both a little bit pied pipers in terms of getting people to work ridiculous hours."
Which really should tell you everything you need to know given who made the money and how many people were made to work "ridiculous hours".
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