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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 98 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's very frustrating.

What I've seen when I bring what's happening up to family members step one is denial "oh he's not doing that" step 2 is defend "well it's probably for the best, kids do yern for the mines".

Nothing is convincing.

[–] TempleSquare@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Stages of grief. Most are just getting to denial.

My 90 year old grandma has moved onto bargaining. She's trying to write a letter to DJT to "warn him about Musk"

Not bad progress, considering I couldn't get her to budge at all over the past decade.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 11 points 1 day ago

That's kind of adorable.

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[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I remember a moment before the election in 2016. A family member was going off on a Trump worshiping rant. I asked them what they thought of all the awful things that come out of his mouth. They responded with, "Oh, he's just saying that stuff because he likes to get attention."

I quoted a passage from Luke's gospel. "The good person out of the good treasure of the heart produces good, and the evil person out of evil treasure produces evil; for it is out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks."

What happened next was amazing. They kind of paused and stared at their shoes with this expression that, if I could put words to it, would have said, "Shit. He's got me there. How do I get around this one?" They then looked up, physically shrugged it off; like water off a ducks back. That stopped the rant but I knew that If they had to choose between Jesus and this particular version of the anti-christ, their choice was already made and it wasn't Jesus.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I've been there friend. It is not a fun experience but it was very enlightening. Someday they may see it but it is terrifying to understand how willingly ignorant some of us choose to be.

[–] AloneYogurt@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It doesn't help that they have literally been programmed by right and far right propaganda that only influences and reinforces that mentality of "unity".

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the media titans know what they're doing

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] margaritox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I’m a member of a lot of hiking communities on FB. Prior to Trump second presidency, they would blame any kind of problems related to insufficient budgeting to “ sending all money to Ukraine”. Now that he’s the president, and is BLATANTLY cutting budgets to national parks and forests, I see his supporters say “ it’s too bad we donated so much money to the national parks of Ukraine” or “ if Biden did this, you wouldn’t be complaining”, or some version of “ this is necessary, nothing really changed”.

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It's also defending the cult leader mentality. Breaking with the cult puts you on the outside, and an enemy of the cult. Breaking free of a cult isn't easy when the cult's actions are constantly being reinforced and regurgitated by their leader and his media disinformation networks.

[–] zyberteq@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If only they agreed that Social Security, Universal Healthcare and just being nice to each other is better for everyone.

If we try to increase the quality of life for everyone, we'll have a better world.

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 15 points 1 day ago

Some people can't be happy unless they're constantly angry about the people they were told to hate.

We call them gammons over here.

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

They are trash people who are lost causes

[–] DragonAce@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Believe it or not, there are already MAGA people pissed at him in hard red states/districts.

Yep, and they'll vote every Republican in again next time regardless.

99/100 of em are lost causes.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, the "Pity me, I didn't get mine" crowd.

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world -2 points 13 hours ago
[–] aaron@infosec.pub 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I doubt it will be noticeable overnight, but at least some of his supporters will be pushed into a degree of impoverishment that inhibits political engagement.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They aren't engaged now. Anyone who really looks at politics beyond the talking points that are delivered by the right knows how insane the right is.

Lack of citizen engagement makes it easier to blame immigrants and trans women.

[–] aaron@infosec.pub 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

OK, I have read some evidence that shows how when a level of impoverishment is reached, people are too preoccupied with day to day and week to week survival to bother with voting or much of any other civil engagement.

I won't waste more time on this, I'm not interested in arguing over the definition of 'disengaged'.

[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isnt that what most of his voter base already is?

[–] aaron@infosec.pub 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The fact that they voted means they are not disengaged.

Yours might have just been an offhand comment, but as it might be a genuine question I provided a brief answer.

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[–] toaster@slrpnk.net 34 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I actually disagree.

There is a tipping point when MAGA followers are forced into situations where they must rely on their neighbour and mutual aid. They'll be forced out of necessity to interact with people across the aisle who are giving them compassion.

You're already seeing republicans flipping before that point from the DOGE cuts. Also, the governor of Kentucky is already flipping after their largest purchaser by a long-shot, Canada, took all their booze off the shelves.

[–] TheBeesKnees@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 day ago

I think this overlooks how most MAGAs are rural.. and when you live rural you already rely on your neighbors. Most of which are also white and the exceptions are ""one of the good ones."" It's why they can demonize entire demographics and still feeling like a good person since they're good neighbors.

They're not going to stop blaming 'the others' for hardships.. They're just going increase complaints about 'the government' and how much they pay in taxes.

I grew up in Amish country/farmland and it's painful to see how stagnant my family has been over the years.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

The question is, will I have reached a breaking point where I will no longer be willing to help them?

Doubt (x) seeing as he was elected twice, they won't ever learn it will always be the "other guys" politician's fault

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

There is a tipping point when MAGA followers are forced into situations where they must rely on their neighbour and mutual aid.

By the time we reach that point, there won't be an aisle. There won't be a government.

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[–] robotic_whale@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not every Trump voter is a die hard MAGA, a large amount just don't pay attention and vote republican out of habit because the media has told them for decades that Republicans are better for the economy or just because that is the party their parents voted for.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Knew 2 guys that just hated Trans ppl more than anything

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Social identity. Hardship together. This is no joke.

I just FaceTimed with a MAGA this week as they industriously cooked a weeks worth of food to freeze. This is an individual who traditionally only defrosts processed crap on baking sheets, despises leftovers, and grocery shops every 1-3 days rather than storing food.

Not this week. Now they’re all about unprocessed foods, cooking to save money, and meal planning in advance. A 180 shift from a week ago. In addition, they’re starting a pantry.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's the rough part a lot of Americans need to swallow: MAGA is full of disenfranchised people that would otherwise organize in solidarity for the common good of the working class.

There's just been so many wedges and fences built up from the Cold War that the ruling class has been able to deflect and distract from progressive policy and maintain power.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Try the Civil War

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're talking about babies who couldn't wear a mask during COVID. They have no sense of struggle and no toleration for hardship

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They also had their god emperor refusing to wear masks, and political leaders openly denying the disease.

They had support for their grievences.

They won't get that over the economy. Instead, they're getting "this is necessary" and "you'll just have to make some sacrifices for the economy".

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Their God emperor was wearing a mask and taking vaccine shots behind the scenes. He then tells them the opposite.

I even have trouble believing the people that "converted back". I just think if things change for them and time passes they'll go back to being Republicans or MAGA.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

100%. The people who have turned away from the Republican party have only done so out of a distaste for Trump, and maybe Elon. They are almost certainly not opposed much of what is being done, just how they are going about it, and who is doing it.

Or, they've just had their faces eaten by leopards, and are upset that they're suffering the consequences of their actions.

You don't get to be a Republican in 2016 or 2024 without being ok with burning the whole system down, with dreams of it being to your own benefit. They just don't trust the current would-be monarchs to be the ones to actually give them what they believe they're due.

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[–] margaritox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

This is starting to sound a lot like the typical Russian mentality.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Russia's biggest export atm.

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Even more so if it hurts the ones they hate even more. If they lose their job but see five children deported, they probably see it as a win.

[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 day ago

It's the same playbook as foreign sanctions elsewhere.

The Assads, Kims, and Putins of the world can get their people to rally into a "bunker mentality" which helps prop up their regimes as a grand and noble struggle.

Trump has brought the same energy home. And history shows you can milk it for decades or generations even before something essential craxks.

[–] eric5949@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To add, many Nazis were unrepentant.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

And life for most Germans turned shitty really fast, with wages dropping to depression levels with a lot more work hours.

[–] heidih49@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 day ago

Struggle is a key part of propaganda and cult of personality, all for the "better good". And if they already are this far, they will keep going

[–] TempleSquare@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

... until THEY lose their job to the Trumpcession.

Difference is that Trump Term 1 didn't really impose a cost on them directly. And so far, the idea of hardship sounds alright.

But when they are dumped to the curb at age 66 with social security cuts, half the 401k they thought they had, and even Walmart ain't hiring...

[–] caboose2006@lemm.ee 0 points 18 hours ago

Sounds pretty communist to me

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They need to be eaten by the leopards...

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Social identity is key to survival, so it's no surprise how resistant people are.

An old mentor of mine at UCLA did a study where they put people in an fMRI machine and monitored brain function when feeling rejected during a digital game of catch. When the other two "players" (NPCs) started only tossing between each other and excluding the participant, the part of the brain responsible for physical pain triggered.

Not being rejected from others around you is so important to human survival that evolution hardwired our brain to feel pain at the slightest hint of being rejected. Other experiments found similar, we forego an awful lot to stay in good graces with our society.

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