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From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?

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[–] Shialac@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago

German here, most of the time I say "US-American"

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 2 hours ago

In the USA, Yankee refers to mainly northeast US, including the New York City area. Western Americans would be neutral about being called that and you might piss off some southerners.

My exposure to the term gringo has mainly been that it refers to white Americans. I don't know if you would call a black American gringo or how they would accept it.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Just say "idiots." Source: USA citizen.

[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 2 points 6 hours ago

No no, he has a point...

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Do you not have a term in Spanish?

If y'all use yank, yankee, or gringo, they're all fine.

But, American is fine too. If you're using English, everyone will know what you mean. It isn't like it hasn't been the term used in English for at least a century.

Here the thing. If you're referring to someone from one of the two/three americas, you specify north, central and south. That depends a little on whether you consider all three as discrete areas, or not, but that's the norm in English.

If you want to refer to all people from the americas at once, Americans is also fine. Context will carry which way you're using it. English is fairly easy to make contextual indicators like that.

An example: "oh, Americans love their flag". Which americans are we talking about? The ones with a specific American flag. Which, the statement isn't universally true, it's just an example.

If you aren't using English, it doesn't matter at all, use whatever terminology is the norm in that language.

The reason it doesn't matter is that there really isn't an "American" people in the continental sense. The cultures of the continents don't even have a unifying effect, though you do have some connection between Spanish speaking vs Portuguese, vs native, vs English, etc. The language links in South America are much more significant than the fact that they live on the same continent.

Any time you'd be referring to the entire Americas, or the peoples of them, you'd specify that because there's not a single American continent.

One nation out of all of them being america really isn't a difficulty in conversation. It's a non issue.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Most americans, the majority of whom don't live in the US, dislike the usurpation of that term. There's a longer history starting in the late 1800s of US politicians using "america", "greater america", to coincide with its imperial ambitions in Latin america and the carribean.

The USA even had a time when it had more people in its colonies living outside its contiguous borders, than it did inside.

There's a lot on this in the book, how to hide an empire.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 41 minutes ago

Most americans, the majority of whom don't live in the US

Gonna stop you right there. The number of Americans who don't live in in the US is tiny.

"American" is the demonym for someone from the United States of America. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it's been in the English language for hundreds of years, and getting angry about it doesn't change linguistics, which is defined by usage.

English speakers don't recognise the Americas as a single continent, but as two separate continents separated by the isthmus of Panama. So it doesn't make sense to have a single demonym to refer to everyone from those two continents.

The arrogance of some Spanish speakers of thinking they have the right to dictate the English language is astounding. And I refuse to buy into it. I'm not coming into Spanish-speaking spaces and trying to change how they talk about things in their language.

[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 33 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Being from the USA, I can confidently say “Yankee” is a term that is fairly neutral in meaning. People from the South states use it to refer to basically any American not from the South, and I get the sense people from the UK use it to refer to anyone from the USA.

In my experience, “Gringo” seems to be a term used by Spanish-speakers (even ones from North and South America) to refer to English speakers who think they’re better than everyone, so it appears to be a term with negative connotations

[–] temporal_spider@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Texan here. Yankee is definitely not a neutral word to refer to everyone from the USA. Some people down here will fight you over it, but most would just give you a confused look.

I've always understood gringo to mean white person, especially one who can't speak Spanish. The term is sometimes used in Mexican restaurants to let the staff know that you can't deal with too many jalapeños.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

I've heard gringo is about language, primarily English. Not about being a whitey

[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Do Southerners use Yankee pejoratively to refer to northerners?

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, since the civil war era.

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Or as my husband's Southern-ass grandma called it, the "war of northern agression" 🙄

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 hours ago

Reflexively I wanted to downvote that 😒

[–] temporal_spider@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago

I'm afraid so. There are a lot of people still fighting our Civil War, the one that supposedly ended over 150 years ago. Even without those troglodytes, there is a distinct cultural difference between the North and South, as I think there is in many countries. We tend to rub each other the wrong way sometimes.

Old joke about the difference. Walk up to a Southerner's house, and they say, "can I help you?" Walk up to a Yankee's house, and it's, "whaddya want?"

[–] AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

In my experience (as a Brit), people generally only refer to Americans as Yanks in a mildly pejorative way or if we're taking the piss, otherwise it's Americans.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Southerners are the same way. Nobody calls us yanks as a compliment

i believe Brits call Americans "yanks"

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 20 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (6 children)

In America, yankee means people from a particular part of America. But we use it here in Australia to mean any American. It's especially fun when people from the south (that is…the south of the country America, not from the continent of South America) take offence at the term IMO.

We also use "seppo" which is an Australian shortening slang of "septic", which is rhyming slang (of the kind used in both Australia and London, England) that comes via "septic tank" via "yank".

Gringo seems strange to me. I thought that was a predominantly Latin American term for white people, and would apply equally well to Americans as Canadians as Australians as (of particular relevance to someone from Spain) English…but only the white of each, so it would seem to me it shouldn't work as synonymous with "American" because it excludes African Americans, Asian Americans, etc. But I'm not Spanish or Latin American, so I might just be misunderstanding the word.

Edit: what yank means depending on where you are (allegedly):

[–] FloMo@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Hispanic here, I grew up using “gringo” specifically for people from the U.S. despite skin tone.

Canadians are “Canadiense”, English are “Ingles” but United States? “Estadounidense”? It’s sort of like saying “United Statian” but arguably more “correct/proper”

Gringo is just much faster/easier to say.

That being said this can vary a little from one Latin-American country to another.

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[–] TurtleOnASkateboard@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

It's a weird lacuna of the English language, there's no official word for estadounidense.

[–] thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

In Italian we have an equivalent, Statunitensi, but Americani is probably used more often to mean the same thing

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[–] meliante@lemmy.world 19 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Burros como o caralho is Portuguese for USAians.

It translates to something like dumb as fuck.

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 21 points 12 hours ago

Dumbfuckistan has a certain ring to it when you put it that way.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] TurtleOnASkateboard@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Gringo and yankee are both fine. However, it's most correct to refer to people from the USA by their birth state.

[–] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Or where they currently live.

Or, the case of NYC Puerto Ricans, both (New Yorican lol)

[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 1 points 4 hours ago

I suppose it depends on context, but someone who was born in PR, but lives in NYC, is a Puerto Rican. Someone born in NYC to a Puerto Rican family is a New Yorican. Both people are ethnically Puerto Rican, but only one is from Puerto Rico.

[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

imo, 'gringo' has no special meaning unless it was given one from a local group. like how "let's go brandon" only makes sense on a specific group.

'yankee' used to have a specific one before, i.e. north-eastern US bros, but it got saturated and now could be used generally. imo, 'yankee' usage has ye olde vibe to it, but maybe that's just me.

EDIT: corrected 'southern', thanks to Denvil

[–] Denvil@lemmy.one 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 3 points 8 hours ago

thanks! missed that one.

[–] quickenparalysespunk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'm USAian. (just identifying for this thread, i don't call myself that)

would "gringo" include Black USAians? Asian USAians? Spain-born USAians?

from my understanding of "gringo", that doesn't seem to include non-white USAians. Most English monolingual USAians think that means "white guy".

a lot of gen z USAians might not know the word Yankee as a term for USAians. if speaking to them, you might have to explain it's not the baseball team.

maybe it's better to stick with "USAians". it's never been used but it's easy to figure out. other possible choices are:

  • Statesians
  • USAliens
  • USAmericans
  • Staters
  • Stater Tots (re: tater tots)
  • USticles

better yet, call each of us by the state we're each from. that's the safest bet. you know all our 50 state names right? and their official demonyms? 🤣 kidding

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 37 minutes ago

Honestly, reading this comment is really just reinforcing for me why we say American. Reading "USAien" over and over again hurts my head.

[–] redrumBot@lemmy.ml 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I prefer the formal name in spanish of estadounidense (united-statistian) to American.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This probably isn’t helpful for referring to all Americans but in the U.S., we use whatever state/regjon within the United States a person is from as the demonym. So, someone from California would be Californian, someone from Texas would be Texan. For a regional example, someone from the Northeast would be a New Englander.

For most of the history of the Republic, the states viewed themselves sort of like EU countries do now: independent states in America that united. It probably wasn’t until the World Wars that it changed.

It can get more complicated, unfortunately. Native Americans would probably use their tribal name instead of the state, for instance. But that’s why we don’t have a demonym and everyone has resorted to USian or USAian on message boards.

[–] Hyphlosion@lemm.ee 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I wish Oregonians were called Oregonos instead because sounding like a spice is cool. lol

[–] imvii@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Oregonos sounds like part of a complete breakfast.

[–] Hyphlosion@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

Oregano-s and Oregon-O’s. I like it.

[–] Alice@beehaw.org 7 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Not too sure about gringo but I know yankee is correct, I hear that one a lot from folks I know in the UK.

There's some weird linguistic drift where in the southern US, we call northerners yankees, even though in the rest of the world we're all yankees. Now I'm curious how that started.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

That Southern US usage dates back to at least the US civil war in the 1860s.

But yankee was used to refer to at least some people in what is now the US as early as the 1660s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee

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