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Since Trump, I'm finding the Lemmy.world experience to be increasingly akin to an echo chamber and it's quite frankly starting to bore me. (Inb4, I'm a left winger and I don't like Trump, but I'm much more interested in a good spirited debate or novel points of view than I am in Orange man bad Nazi circle jerks)

If I wanted the same repetitive comments to be upvoted and any different opinion at all to be downvoted and even blocked/banned, I'd have just stayed on Reddit.

Are there any instances where different, opposing and novel points of view are celebrated and debated rather than simply derided and downvoted?

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (44 children)

No single instance has very "broad" POVs, however some instances are federated more broadly and thus get more points of view. To that end, Lemm.ee and Lemmy.ml are much more diverse than Lemmy.world, which is defederated from the major instances with large populations of Marxists.

Hexbear and Grad tend to have a lot of Marxist (and Anarchist, in the case of Hexbear) perspectives you aren't really seeing much of on Lemmy.world, which is very "US Democrat Liberal."

You aren't going to find anywhere where the virtue of being "different" is worthy of celebration when it comes to POVs, and I think that's a bit of a lost cause. I don't see much value in entertaining the opinions of fascists, as an example.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for this. Will definitely check out those instances.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

No problem! If you're looking for right-wing viewpoints, you can already see them from a Lemmy.world account, they usually hang out either on Lemmy.world or sh.itjust.works, it's more the Leftists that Lemmy.world censors from your view.

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[–] otter@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

You might be better off looking for a community where the moderation optimizes for that kind of discussion (ex. Removing low effort comments, requiring citations, academic oriented, etc). It's harder to find an entire instance that matches those points, but there should be a few communities like that

Then you can use the subscribed feed only, or block the communities you don't like

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Closest I can think of is Hexbear's News Megathread, but it isn't really for debate, just analysis of current events. Is there a comm like that elsewhere?

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Gotta second this, it's a little hard to find from a separate instance- you need to go to /c/news@hexbear.net and pick it from the pinned threads

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

The mega access was one of the biggest factors in making a Hexbear account for me, to be honest. A lot of great info in them (plus I like the casual chatting format of the general mega when I don't want to make a full post).

That’s a good idea!

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[–] ReadMoreBooks@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Register and account on another instance that passes the litmus test of federation with .ml and hexbear. Block .world on that new account. Don't block all those instances .world told you to blindly hate.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This.

The leftist instances have a good mix of leftists and liberals that are brave enough to do what they're told not to do.

[–] ReadMoreBooks@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

I'm about to say the same thing differently.

Eliminating .world filters the majority of the propaganda and bad faith users. What remains is leftist because once we pierce through the propaganda and bad faith, we all agree that left is human.

We've three core groups: social democrats, authoritarian socialists & communists, and libertarian socialists & communists. Each focuses on a different part of our timeline. Respectively: the present, the means to overcome the human paradigm, and the ideal solution as we understand it.

Edit: I left out anarchists, whom are often my favorite group. They never get the respect they deserve. I apologize for contributing to that.

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[–] dawnglider@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Perhaps surprisingly when it comes to breaking the echo chamber and having diverse political points of view and approaches (on subjects like identity politics, intersectionality, geo politics, organization building, strategy...etc) I'd say even ML circles have a lot more of that than just vaguely leftist safe liberal stances (at the very least they might have novel ideas and no orange man bad meme).

If you want more diversity of opinions you can expand in different directions, but I hardly see what good would be a place that has both fascists and anti-fascists for example and most of us are tired of picking internet fights. I suppose as long as you're aware of which kind of discussion you've more tolerance for you're good, but whether it's tolerance for the occasional black crime rate statistic or an esoteric graph of the falling rate of profit, you're not likely to find a space that has both.

In general I'd go with Cowbee's recommendations though (for something that's still obviously fairly leftwing)

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

db0 is federated with world hexbear beehaw ml and many others.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Not with Lemmygrad, though, so if their goal is to be as broad as possible dbzer0 doesn't cut it.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 8 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I think you are going to have a hard time finding a place to talk with a group that overall deals in bad faith arguments and hate speech. They also tend to silo themselves off to their own platforms over concerns that their hate speech gets them moderated (because Free Speech != does not mean speech without consequences or needs to be tolerated by everyone).

If you really want to see the MAGA "point of view" you are probably better off going to them on Truth Social, Gab, 4chan, The_Donald, etc.

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[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Do people do good, spirited debates anymore? Most of what I see would be more akin to wrestling a pig.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

Debating online is largely useless for convincing the other party. Sometimes onlookers learn, but if it's a debate neither party usually concedes. Education works, ie someone asking for more information, but that's about it.

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Your best bet is to be in a lot of instances. My experiences so far is that basically any singular instance has its bias', and while some unapologetically ban users for disagreeing with them, the ones that don't still down vote for disagreeing with them.

While one of these forms of censorship is worse than the other, it's all censorship, and the only way to see a variety of views is to stay in the varying instances.

[–] Karmmah@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The point of the fediverse is to give people the option to create communities by themselves and not be subject to the ruling of one central allmighty entity. If someone does not like one community they have the chance to create their own with their own rules. This means people can decide for themselves what content they want in their community. However people coming from traditional social media seem to mistake this kind of freedom with not needing to follow any rules but that's not how it works.

Same goes for countries. Big ones cause problems IMO

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