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[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago)

Organize en masse using a common enemy (billionaires). Fascists win when they are able to successfully divide and conquer, which they have been very successful at.

There's a very good reason both neoliberals and fascists have been working so hard for so long to distract the masses from who's causing the real issues in society.

We can't let them shut us down this time, like they did with Occupy Wall Street, the George Floyd protests, the hippy movement, MLK Jr.'s economic movement. We need to stay controversial and constantly active so we can stay in the news cycle (much like how Trump has been able to dominate the news cycle since 2015). If they try to distract us, we must counter at every step of the way.

Workers have the real power in society, and the oligarchs can't survive without us. The sooner we all realize that, the better.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 hours ago

Couple of things:

  • Information : Keep creating and sharing reliable information. Not just opinions, information. We are still the majority, the US fascists is not world, we need to flood all the relevant platforms with our content.
  • Education: The reason these monsters have any credibility is because some people are too mentally weak to defend themself from misinformation. We need to educate around in any way possible. Everything counts, keep trying.
  • Humor is a powerful weapon. These people have giant ego and 0 humor. Let's keep ridicule them and have fun at their expense. They need to understand we have some things they can never touch, even with all the money in the world, solidarity, humour and camaraderie.
[–] AnthropomorphicCat@lemmy.world 28 points 2 hours ago

I'm pretty sure that the answer is against the Terms Of Service of this instance.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 47 minutes ago

Sherman tanks and M1 Garands were quite effective once.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 118 points 4 hours ago (5 children)
[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 36 minutes ago) (1 children)

To be fair, both Ghandi and MLK Jr. showed that there is an alternative to violence that can be very effective in gaining support.

That being said, I do think the Black Panthers/Malcom X were very instrumental in the civil rights movement. I think the leadership saw two options: work with MLK Jr. or deal with the Black Panthers.

Of course, the FBI, amongst other groups in power at the time were able to successfully thwart MLK Jr.'s attempt at educating people about class consciousness. MLK Jr. wasn't just fighting for equal rights among racial lines, but also economic lines.

Hell, Jesus Christ was able to start an entire religion based in nonviolent protest based around class consciousness. Of course, that religion has since been perverted, but the point still stands.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 25 minutes ago

MLK and the Civil Rights Movement have been majorly white-washed since they happened. That narrative is a big reason why protests since have been largely ineffectual in the US.

MLK supported the Black Panthers and Malcolm X and said that the only reason that he didn't do anything more than the sit-ins and such was because that was already illegal and anything more could get them all jail time. And he was still seen as being just as violent as they made BLM out to be.

The Million Man March was seen as a threat of violence by white America. If he could get a million people to mobilize in the capital and shut down the entire city, what else could he get them to do?

Also, civil rights were only put into law after a full-on week of violence that burned down entire sections of cities and did millions in property damage. Years of protests led to flowery words. A week of riots saw the bills written, voted on, and codified into law.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 58 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Violence really, really fucking sucks.

It may be necessary, but if there's any other option you should look to that first. If it legitimately comes to violence a lot of innocent people are going to suffer in a big way.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 52 points 4 hours ago

There were other options. I think those other options failed at this point in time.

[–] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

Peace as a choice is only possible when the option of violence exists.

[–] Meltrax@lemmy.world 13 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, I feel like violence is evangelized online in odd ways.

The class that suffers the most in violent uprisings is the lowest class. By orders of magnitude. For every member of the bourgeois that is taken down, tens or hundred or thousands of every day people are injured or killed.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

In all fairness there are non violent support roles

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 30 points 4 hours ago

Somebody has to build the drones and c4 kits

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

It's not that people die commiting acts of violence, it's that people minding their own business or just trying not to be violent, also end up violently dismembered with their families.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

The problem with violence is that the bad guys are usually better at violence.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say better at violence, just better equipped.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago

I wouldn’t say better at violence, just better ~~equipped~~ funded.

FTFY.

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[–] JollyG@lemmy.world 21 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

I am writing this with the assumption that you are tacitly asking about US politics because of the moment in history. What I have to say will make people mad, but here goes:

A lot of the people on this webzone are what Eitan Hersh called "political hobbyists". These are people who do not really take political action in their daily life despite voting or occasionally attending a rally. They may be well informed about politics, but being well-informed in itself is not really effective at changing politics. You can get on your phone and "rub the glass" to complain about politics, or to find people who agree with you. But outrage on social media won't change anything, and if rubbing the glass and occasionally voting is all you do, then you are a political hobbyist.

Political hobbyism mostly functions as a consumerist approach to political engagement. A political hobbyist will passively receive news and information about politics, but will never really try to change anything, because to them engaging in a news feed is all they really do. That consumerism is painfully apparent here when, for example, posters denounce a Democratic candidate as being "not exciting" or someone they are "not passionate about" as if the candidate was the newest model in a brand of laptops that failed to zazzle in Q3. We see signs of political hobbyism again when political parties are treated as entities that are somehow completely separate from the public. For example when a lemmy user denounces the Democratic party for not doing what they want. "The Democrats need to do X!" Why are you complaining about that on the internet? You know the DNC isn't reading these threads right?

If you really wanted to influence the Democratic party (which I think is the best bet for resisting fascism right now) why aren't you lobbying the party? Why aren't you mobilizing voter bases? Why aren't you building political power in your local community so you can influence larger political organizations? Because its hard, because you don't know where to start, because you are busy? Ok, but fascism is coming, and you are too busy to do anything about it. Or too overwhelmed to even try?

The truth is, if you wanted your ideas (and I am including here opposition to fascism as an idea) to influence policy, or what candidates gain traction in nomination races, then you should have been working on that LOOOOONNNNNG before the national candidate was nominated. Treating the Democratic party as a vendor that offers political products is a losing strategy for gaining influence. There will be an endless parade of glass rubbers ready to denounce the various political parties, but by and large, they didn't do anything to gain influence with those parties. Their denouncements are ignored, they are irrelevant. My advice is to ignore the glass-rubbers. Identify one or two local issues in your physical area and try to improve them. What you should do is find a little slice of America (or your own country if you are not American) and try to make it better. Use those efforts to build up influence at higher levels. My goal here was to convince you not to listen to the glass rubbers. But my advice for resisting fascism is: Try to build political networks, try to mobilize local voters in local issue elections. Doing this will make your network an invaluable asset to larger (state and national) organizations. If you have a network of voters, of issue conscious citizens, or donors, larger organizations are going to want to leverage that network when it comes time for lager races. That gives you leverage. That gives you power. The glass-rubbers are going to tell you that is impossible. Its not. People do it all the time. The book I cited has examples of people doing it. Fascist conservative groups do it all the time. So why not you?

I will admit, this is hard. When I first read Hersh's book I was offended, because when he was describing political hobbyists, he was describing me. But it did give me some motivation to think about politics from the perspective of power. And set me down the road of trying to do all things I wrote about here. It is early days for me yet, and I have only seen limited success. My work complicates things. I am busy, and often overwhelmed. But fascism is coming.

[–] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

Very well said! Thank you.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 19 minutes ago

the Democratic party (which I think is the best bet for resisting fascism right now)

Which part of the last eight years informed you that liberals have any interest in resisting fascism?

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Now that's what I call evolution

[–] Chivera@lemmy.world 40 points 4 hours ago (5 children)
[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 55 minutes ago)

And how do we fight people like Luigi?

Indiana Jones had the right idea

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

Imagine the memes if someone started shooting Nazis and his name happened to be Mario

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 10 points 4 hours ago

Did nothing wrong

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world -1 points 32 minutes ago (1 children)

If you ask a question and you say, "but don't say the answer," you're just asking for an echo chamber.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago (1 children)

The echo usually says vote which is right but.. here we are

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 8 minutes ago

IMO we're here because of the 10 million Democrats who voted for Biden in 2000 and refused to show up in 2024. Bonespurs only won by a little over 2 million. Harris should have kicked his ass, but oh now, she "supports genocide". Last week the long, difficult Gaza ceasefire negotiation process finally paid off. Funny how nobody's talking much about it.

[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 43 points 4 hours ago (7 children)

Run for political office. The Democrats have no intention of fixing anything, let alone making things better.

And if you believe you're not qualified or don't know how to do the job, just remember that both parties are filled with incompetent fools, fakes, conspiracy crackpots, and morons. It would take considerable effort to do worse than some of the people in congress.

[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

I really want to. But getting started in that is kind of like looking for a door in the castle walls.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 25 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well, both parties are also filled with money and other resources needed to ensure that only two parties can succeed.

We need alternative voices in office, but I don't think that's happening without some form of revolution. The best one can hope for in lieu of that is co-opting a party's direction over a span of decades, like the fascists did to the GOP.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 3 hours ago

If you can't organize a political movement, you definitely can't organize a revolution. Also, if history is a guide, the people with wealth tend to end up in power after a revolution.

[–] d0ntpan1c@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Many state and local democratic parties are far ahead of the national party in the progressive shift, too, and it's absolutely easier to inspire change in a local or state party than the national party.

And it's not just running for elected offices. In-party roles like chair membership and planning can be effective for driving change in a party, and also be the difference in whether the elections continue to go to the shoe-in forever politicians or someone new. The people supporting a change who have access to the resources of the party are just as important as those running.

And if anyone is thinking "my city/county/state party is so tone deaf/old/corporate" consider that they might simply need someone younger or more progessive to become more involved. In an ideal world, they'd be able to speak more with the community, but sometimes they are understaffed or unaware and rely on who is involved to provide context. Become that context.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

I don't want to put a target on my or my families backs 😓

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 3 hours ago

Run for office, or find someone worthy and get behind their run. Don't worry about Republicans for now,vee have to defeat the Democratic establishment before we will have the ability to fight Republicans.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 17 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I found this book to be very compelling and topical: https://www.ericachenoweth.com/research/civil-resistance-what-everyone-needs-to-know

Civil resistance is a method of conflict through which unarmed civilians use a variety of coordinated methods (strikes, protests, demonstrations, boycotts, and many other tactics) to prosecute a conflict without directly harming or threatening to harm an opponent. Sometimes called nonviolent resistance, unarmed struggle, or nonviolent action, this form of political action is now a mainstay across the globe. It was a central form of resistance in postwar anti-colonial movements, the 1989 revolutions, and the Arab Awakenings, and people are practicing civil resistance at higher rates than ever before around the world, including in the United States. If we want to understand the manifold protest movements emerging around the globe, we need a thorough understanding of civil resistance and its many dynamics and manifestations.

[–] Loss@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Wrong comm to ask this on. The only historically backed answer that has been repeatedly proven to work is against lemmy.world's TOS to discuss.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 hour ago

The left can't even convince enough people to vote let alone join a violent revolution.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

By making every single step they try to take excruciatingly painful by any means necessary.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 5 points 3 hours ago

That depends. How are we defining fascism here? That's the first step.

Would it be a stretch to suggest engaging in missionary activity as a solution?

[–] Damionsipher@lemmy.world 18 points 4 hours ago
[–] dustywinter@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Find charities, news outlets, podcasts, rights groups or other entities that match your message and support them.

Donate money, time, and whatever else you can to help.

I think everyone understands that being loud might draw the wrong attention, so do what you can to support the ones that you want as much as you are able.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago

The ear guy tried.

[–] Cool_Name@lemm.ee 8 points 4 hours ago

We need to make detentions and deportations difficult. For a group and keep your eyes peeled. Report any activity that you see by CBP in your area. Be a nuisance. Film them. Shout at them. Drive slow in front of their vehicles. If you can, do more that I won't say online.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 hours ago

That's the neat part...

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