this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2025
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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.

From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.

PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don't want to insult anyone here being a 'bastard'. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.

PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way they're unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm

Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg

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[–] Nuerion@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Here I am fully ready to deep dive into some drama from a community I have zero investment in and it’s impossible to read 😩

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[–] gaael@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago (65 children)

Lol found out here that I had been banned from the community. Ty for sharing the information :)

Regarding the matter, I understand their reaction.
I've been interacting with some vegan circles IRL and some are more "hardcore" (not in a negative way) than others. When you consider animal exploitation as mass slavery, mass torture and mass murder, it becomes increasingly difficult to tolerate even light deviations from the all-vegan path.

This being said, I would have preferred they had a better wording for the temp ban reason than "fake vegan" by which I feel insulted and hurt.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

When you consider animal exploitation as mass slavery, mass torture and mass murder,

... it is the time to speak to a psychiatrist.

[–] gaael@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hello dear internet user,
It looks like you need to educate yourself on at least 3 topics before using your keyboard again:

  • why is it hurtful and not ok to rebutt other's opinions by suggesting they are mentally ill?
  • are other animals sentient, sociable and do they feel emotions and pain?
  • how are meat and dairy products produced and how many animals live in this system?

Once you've done the work, we'll be able to agree on the basics facts and exchange arguments on how we see the situation and the precise words we want to use.

Looking forward to engaging with you in good faith in the future,
Me.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world -3 points 6 days ago

Hello dear internet user

It looks like you need to educate yourself about the terms like "food chain" and "what is the difference between food and humans".

Once you've done the work, we'll be able to agree on the basics facts and exchange arguments. Looking forward to engaging with you in good faith in the future.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (26 children)

The "all or nothing" crowd really knows how to stomp on progress, huh?

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It's like they don't realize that by being this hostile towards any other viewpoints, they drive away people who might otherwise be interested in becoming vegan or want to learn more. All it does is harm the community in the long run, and then they wonder why there's a stigma around vegans. That stigma then feeds into a persecution complex and that becomes a nasty vicious cycle.

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[–] quirzle@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago

(not in a negative way)

Debatable.

One of my best friends is a long-term vegan. He generally avoids telling people because he so strongly hates being lumped in with this crowd of asshats.

[–] AngryishHumanoid@reddthat.com 24 points 1 week ago

Not a lot of 100% vegan grocery stores, where do they get their food?

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[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Lol, I got my vegan card revoked (declared "a carnist") and handed my first fedi ban by the "Real Vegans™" too, for daring to call out their bullshit and ableist militant gatekeeping.

Good luck to them and the toxic cesspit they're so adamant on maintaining, the last thing anyone should be seeking is these people's approval, especially not on being a "good" or "real" vegan, since they make it crystal clear that their top priority is and always will be their own egos. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 week ago (61 children)

Generally very radical vegans also have a right to their own community, however I also think there should be spaces for less radical veganism as well. It seems that currently there's none of those available, or maybe the general hostility of social media against vegans makes any of their more tolerant spaces eventually close ranks to protect their sanity. Unfortunately vegan spaces are constantly brigaded by trolls so it's understandable they have a very short fuse, and a lot of people get caught in the cross-fire.

I think the only solution here would be for a new vegan community with a focus on debate with non-vegans. However it will be tricky to find the right moderators for it who either won't be non-vegans themselves and therefore support a flood of concern-trolls and bad faith arguments, or be vegans that won't get immediately burnt out.

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[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 37 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I (a vegan) got banned from there for finding the love of cows cloying. I said we shouldn't have to pretend cows are cute to convince others not to kill and eat them.

It really isn't a place for even back and forth amongst friends, "no conversation - only agreement"

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

cloying

adjective

excessively sweet, rich, or sentimental, especially to a disgusting or sickening degree

Neat, new word.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 31 points 1 week ago

Purity gatekeeping, and purity competitions, are the bane of any movement. Sorry that happened to you. FWIW I thought your comments were reasonable

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This is super weird to me. Back on the Asian ass porn site known as Reddit I could just go into vegan subs and have casual conversations about recipes and cooking techniques. It didn’t matter that I eat meat.

After the API kerfuffle we all celebrated how friendly the internet can be and now you get preemptively banned because you COULD be a bad actor in disguise.

To a point I understand the frustration vegans have to live with. The constant childish trolling can be exhausting, but this is pretty much the worst way to handle this.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Every good cause has fundamentalist dickheads who try to coopt it and make it about them.

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (27 children)

Another day, another ~~diet~~ vegan/carnivore drama

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 20 points 1 week ago

fyi the normal diet people eat is omnivorous, not carnivorous.

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[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is why plantbased was made recently

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Vegans biting each other 😉

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[–] DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

jesus christ. i don't think i've ever seen a longer sidebar as I scroll down to the modlog... not a good start...

and okay, so the mod is unhappy about a vegan restaurant turning to non-veganry to stay alive? to the point where they're silencing all discussion of it in a positive or even ambivalent light? This seems like there's more to it than the mod is willing to admit publicly. "the restaurant isn't vegan" doesn't account for "it's a shame but I'd rather an otherwise vegan restaurant survive than not. how sad" and "it seems like there just weren't enough vegans in town to keep it alive" being banned. it's clear ethics policing and again, im sensing some passive-aggression and unstated resentments on the mod's part.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 19 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The vegan Community is actually quite shit. They don't hesitate to delete your comment just because you aren't a vegan, even if you agree with them in certain points.

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