Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.
From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.
PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don't want to insult anyone here being a 'bastard'. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.
PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way they're unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm
Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg
The "all or nothing" crowd really knows how to stomp on progress, huh?
It's like they don't realize that by being this hostile towards any other viewpoints, they drive away people who might otherwise be interested in becoming vegan or want to learn more. All it does is harm the community in the long run, and then they wonder why there's a stigma around vegans. That stigma then feeds into a persecution complex and that becomes a nasty vicious cycle.
Sorry but I think I disagree with that sentiment. I'd liken it to how fascists like to say that leftists annoy people away from the left; imagine thinking "well I disagree with using animals as a resource in the human endeavour but they're just so mean/annoying/polemic that I'll just keep doing the thing I disagree with". It just seems childish and you should really judge a philosophy like this on its merits instead.
Is it their job to teach and convert you? Maybe they just want a space to exist in without having to work for others.
Nobody is forcing them to reply to a comment.
Plus, if they want more people to be vegan, then kinda yeah
Maybe what they want is to be left alone in peace?
I'm sure you don't want Trump as president, it doesn't mean you want to go around having to debate with everyone and inform them why he is bad. Sometimes you want to kick back and just say 'Trump sucks shit' and not have to explain yourself because you're with likeminded company.
No, banning people is silencing them. If they were replying with "Veganism rules, carnist drool" we would be discussing this here and that would be the equivalent you have described.
Right now they're getting shit on specifically because they can't even stay in peace among themselves. This is about one small group of vegans abusing their powers to stop respectful discussion among and between vegans.
Are you "all or nothing" with stopping rape? Or would you be okay with some light raping happening, if the majority was anti-rape?
They clearly view this act as something as abhorrent as we would rape, so why are you surprised they don't want to meet half way on the topic?
Uh, because rape doesn't keep people alive? Because rape hasn't been a part of the human diet since before recorded history? What the fuck??
Take your bullshit whataboutism elsewhere. Holy shit, I have never seen such a bad take on the topic of veganism. I hope this is hyperbole and you don't ACTUALLY think the two things are comparable.
veganism has a large intersection with anti-rape sentiment.
Get a fucking grip, the point was to relate it to an act you hopefully find unacceptable. The point was to make you be able to understand how other people may view the subject, and why they would not tolerate that centrist shit.
Im not even a vegan and I can that’s a fucking weak argument, you can survive off of non-meat diets. It is not in any way required to survive.
why should survival be the standard? I want my entire needs hierarchy filled
No where in Maslow hierarchy is meat.
aesthetic needs
It's full of butter though.
That's an insane comparison to make. Compare it to murder if anything.
Why is it an insane comparison?
Cows, pigs, sheeps, etc. are raped (no consent) and sexually assaulted (against their will) for dairy, meat, wool...
😂😂😂
Carry on, you are hilarious.
That's okay. There are many people who only know their food as a bite-sized anonymous mass from the supermarket. who think that cows just give milk all the time. They don't know how piglets are bred. That you can walk into any barn and see unfathomable suffering in every corner. Who have never heard of forceful impregnation, confinement crates, premature separation, tail docking, mulesing, torture breeding, teeth clipping, CO2 chambers, castration, steroid growth, veal crates, tethering, weaning rings, induced moulting, sheep dipping... and we haven't even started on the illegal cruelties.
In this state of blissful ignorance, you might regard someone who associates eating a steak with rape as crazy.
I used to be like this too. And to be honest, there are times when I wish I could return to it and just dismiss vegans with a downvote as exaggerating and annoying.
I worked as grocery store meat cutter for a time after high school. It taught me a lot, but one lesson stands out to me most clearly.
I was cleaning the counter to shut down for the night, it's slow. A person comes up to my counter and asks if I can help find gelatin. While walking to the aisle I- helpfully I thought at the time- proceded to infodump about gelatin and its manufacture. The look of disgust, a comment to the effect of "I've been feeding my baby bones?!"
People don't know and they don't want to know. If they knew they'd be disgusted and would have to change, they know that much, subconsciously at least. So they don't look and they lash out at anyone who insists on the fact of a farm animal holocaust, every day, perpetually sustained so that they may continue to have eggs and bacon and milk for breakfast every day forever and ever and ever.
Wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings would we.
Are you me? I worked in a butcher's shop after school. For me, it was like a job in any other factory, except that the clothes smelled a bit disgusting in the evening. Curing pork belly I never made any connection and didn't feel any remorse. I was happy to have quick and cheap access to meat. Eating meat was part of the identity in my circle of friends.
The pendulum only swung around when I lived among complete strangers for a while. But I also realize that not everyone gets that chance in life.
Nah murder can be done for good reasons, so it wouldn't be seen the same. It needs to be something abhorrent.
Dude, are you just the king of bad takes on the fediverse?
Yeah okay “anti-vegan” (what douche calls themself that), whatever you say.
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