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jointhefediverse.net seems to be a commonly linked resource for directing people to join the Fediverse.

Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives. Their GitHub README explains why.

Previous relevant discussion: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah watch out for that sotware

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago

It has mbin and piefed on the list, so it’s not harming the network at all. If anything it’s more healthy with more platforms rather than just ml and world. It’s one site directing people to the fedi, I’m not butthurt about it

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 82 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

That feels like complaints about lemmy.ml specifically more than Lemmy as a software. There's a few instances that defederate lemmy.ml out there.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 74 points 15 hours ago (16 children)

Lemmy was removed due to:

  • reports of how the developers handle certain types of content (post removed, view an incomplete archive)
  • the behavior of its creator
  • how the sotware itself handles users' privacy.

All valid concerns.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 hours ago

The linked post given on the second point is a bit flimsy. It's basically saying that if you use evidence published by a person with shitty views, you must have them too. To me, that's absurd as claiming that referencing FBI statistics makes someone a federal agent.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 43 points 14 hours ago (7 children)

Point 1 and 2 really need to be addressed.

It would be so much better if lemmy wasn't developed by genocide white-washing tankies.

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[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 36 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (20 children)

I hate it when people try to gatekeep like this. I don't need to be handheld. If there's a Fediverse alternative to something and it mostly works, it should be on the website. Anything less is not useful at best.

Edit: I say this as someone who has historically criticized the behavior of the devs as well as multiple Lemmy communities BTW.

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[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 30 points 14 hours ago (15 children)

To me the first one is an instance problem (ml, hexbear?), and not a lemmy problem. It has looked like they've been trying to separate the two as much as possible.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 17 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

But the Lemmy project and specific instances are not so easily separated. From the archived mastodon thread:

lemmy.ml (the official Lemmy instance) resolves to the same IP address as lemmygrad.ml (the instance that contains the most disturbing material).

Lemmy.ml also federates with lemmygrad, and the devs advertise lemmygrad on their "join lemmy" site.

Do the Lemmy developers themselves run the lemmygrad.ml site? (Its main logo is a tank, incidentally.)

So yeah, newcomers are presented with a join-lemmy site that promotes Lemmygrad and Lemmy ML, both of which appear to be run by the Lemmy devs.

That pretty much makes it a Lemmy problem.

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[–] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (4 children)

These concerns, and more, are why just today, during a conversation with some friends looking to get off traditional social media, I advised them to join pixelfed, peer tube, mastodon, and loops, but suggested they strictly avoid Lemmy.

The communities aren’t right for anyone who isn’t seeking something exactly like Lemmy or leftie-Reddit-lite. I don’t even really like it here all that much anymore. Not the content; the interactions… across all my accounts.. even joining “nicer” spaces is not a particularly nice or pleasant experience, plus the more interested is a woman, and Lemmy is a horrible sausagefest echo chamber not at all suited to a normal average woman person who isn’t techie. I’m techie, so I’m used to the vibe, but for your average cis-woman, Lemmy is a very very bad fit.

Bring on the downvotes if you like (the echo-chamber anti-voice sentiment is part of why people shouldn’t be recommended this platform, after all) but these are legit concerns for people who may want to join, and those of us already here can and do steer people elsewhere as a result.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This is why I'm looking forward to Sublinks launching.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 19 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

What is the issue with user privacy? These do not sound like valid concerns to me.

[–] andrew_s@piefed.social 9 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

This is all quite old drama, and the issue itself is fixed now, but at one point someone kicked off about how if you uploaded a picture to Lemmy, there was no easy way to delete it (you could delete your post, but the image would still be there at whatever URL was created for it, and it wasn't even that easy for admins to find and remove it) - so I'm guessing that it stems from that.

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[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

it's federated. It's the only way it can work. Everything still on that ist must suffer from the same thing. Federation means handing stuff to someone else. Once that's done, it's out of your hands forever.

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Makes sense to me.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 31 points 13 hours ago (11 children)

Nutomic and Dessalines may be tankies, but they're our tankies

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 32 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

It's almost certainly because of the tankie factory that is .ml and the fact that it's admins are all hard core tankies (including the main dev! And ofc the whole infamous Nutomic transphobe incident)

Coupled with the fact that a few of the biggest communities are on .ml does not bode well.

That's why I keep calling for a general boycott against posting content or comments on .ml communities.

.ml doesn't want growth, they want a tankie echo chamber, if anybody wants to actually see Lemmy grow at a healthy pace it starts with shuning the hostile tankies and their instances.

[–] occultist8128@infosec.pub 12 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

sorry, but what does tankie mean?

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 17 points 12 hours ago

Generally, those who praise authoritarian regimes who mask, or attempt to, themselves in the cloak of communism/socialism e.g. China or Russia and are SUPER anti-West (Parroting views of the China Russian regime)

Which comes with a whole host of shit takes, like Russia being justified in their invasion or even denying Tiennamen Square and definitely denying the China Uyghur genocide

Basically, they've gone so far left they've circled back into Right-wing authoritarianism

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 20 points 14 hours ago (12 children)

Coupled with the fact that a few of the biggest communities are on .ml does not bode well.

https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active_month

  • 0 community in the top 10
  • 2 communities in the top 20

That’s why I keep calling for a general boycott against posting content or comments on .ml communities.

!linux@programming.dev is a good alternative to !linux@lemmy.ml

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[–] hono4kami@slrpnk.net 13 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I wrote this before

I spotted Dessalines posted literal propaganda on some community I joined

gotta be honest that does not sit well with me

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Yep. And note how the other mods/admins are almost always found commenting alongside them.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Blaze@feddit.org 15 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, that's quite old, not sure why OP is bringing this up now.

Most of the people here know about the Lemmy devs political stances. Quite a few people are waiting for Piefed and Mbin to catch up. Nothing new to see here.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Block .ml

Block me

Who cares how others use Lemmy? I don't. Feel free to make another feud post this week. Stick it to us champ!

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[–] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (6 children)

I don't know. I just came across it yesterday, and I thought it'd be something interesting to share.

It was explained in the post's body actually:

Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives.

Most of the people here know about the Lemmy devs political stances.

Seeing as I've only started using Lemmy less than a month ago, I've only just very recently started realizing that.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 6 hours ago

I appreciate you posting it

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 14 points 13 hours ago

It's okay, I see your account is quite new, so no worries.

As I said, those issues are known, you can have a look at !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for posts complaining about power tripping mods, be it lemmy.ml or elsewhere.

The key takeaway is that even with its flaws, Lemmy is the biggest Reddit alternative by far (Discuit has less than 200 weekly active posters, Lemmy has 42000). If there would have been a better alternative people would probably have moved there, but there wasn't (and still isn't) any, so here we are

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