this post was submitted on 09 Jan 2025
122 points (97.7% liked)

Fediverse

28861 readers
778 users here now

A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, KBin, etc).

If you wanted to get help with moderating your own community then head over to !moderators@lemmy.world!

Rules

Learn more at these websites: Join The Fediverse Wiki, Fediverse.info, Wikipedia Page, The Federation Info (Stats), FediDB (Stats), Sub Rehab (Reddit Migration), Search Lemmy

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

jointhefediverse.net seems to be a commonly linked resource for directing people to join the Fediverse.

Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives. Their GitHub README explains why.

Previous relevant discussion: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] rarbg@lemmy.zip 1 points 52 minutes ago

It’s just a random person that registered a domain. Be the change you want to see and make your own?

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah watch out for that sotware

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Makes sense to me.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

It has mbin and piefed on the list, so it’s not harming the network at all. If anything it’s more healthy with more platforms rather than just ml and world. It’s one site directing people to the fedi, I’m not butthurt about it

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 59 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

That feels like complaints about lemmy.ml specifically more than Lemmy as a software. There's a few instances that defederate lemmy.ml out there.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

They can do whatever shit they want with their instance and believe whatever they want. The software they make provably doesn't have any more biases than any other software. As long as that's the case, I'm fine.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, but it’s guilt by association. Think about how X is now. Its owner is an asshole, and that hurts the platform regardless of how many cool people use it.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 65 points 10 hours ago (22 children)

Lemmy was removed due to:

  • reports of how the developers handle certain types of content (post removed, view an incomplete archive)
  • the behavior of its creator
  • how the sotware itself handles users' privacy.

All valid concerns.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yeah that sotware itself

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 2 hours ago

This is why I'm looking forward to Sublinks launching.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 hours ago

The linked post given on the second point is a bit flimsy. It's basically saying that if you use evidence published by a person with shitty views, you must have them too. To me, that's absurd as claiming that referencing FBI statistics makes someone a federal agent.

[–] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

These concerns, and more, are why just today, during a conversation with some friends looking to get off traditional social media, I advised them to join pixelfed, peer tube, mastodon, and loops, but suggested they strictly avoid Lemmy.

The communities aren’t right for anyone who isn’t seeking something exactly like Lemmy or leftie-Reddit-lite. I don’t even really like it here all that much anymore. Not the content; the interactions… across all my accounts.. even joining “nicer” spaces is not a particularly nice or pleasant experience, plus the more interested is a woman, and Lemmy is a horrible sausagefest echo chamber not at all suited to a normal average woman person who isn’t techie. I’m techie, so I’m used to the vibe, but for your average cis-woman, Lemmy is a very very bad fit.

Bring on the downvotes if you like (the echo-chamber anti-voice sentiment is part of why people shouldn’t be recommended this platform, after all) but these are legit concerns for people who may want to join, and those of us already here can and do steer people elsewhere as a result.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Same honestly. I never discussed politics on Reddit, but it's all the content that's here. Partly why I don't recommend it to anyone i know who uses Reddit. Most content just isn't normie-friendly here.

[–] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 hours ago

It’s so depressing and aggressive, honestly. I can’t do that to my friends who don’t do that already.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 35 points 10 hours ago (11 children)

Point 1 and 2 really need to be addressed.

It would be so much better if lemmy wasn't developed by genocide white-washing tankies.

load more comments (11 replies)
[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 29 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (14 children)

I hate it when people try to gatekeep like this. I don't need to be handheld. If there's a Fediverse alternative to something and it mostly works, it should be on the website. Anything less is not useful at best.

Edit: I say this as someone who has historically criticized the behavior of the devs as well as multiple Lemmy communities BTW.

load more comments (14 replies)
[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 25 points 10 hours ago (14 children)

To me the first one is an instance problem (ml, hexbear?), and not a lemmy problem. It has looked like they've been trying to separate the two as much as possible.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 15 points 9 hours ago

But the Lemmy project and specific instances are not so easily separated. From the archived mastodon thread:

lemmy.ml (the official Lemmy instance) resolves to the same IP address as lemmygrad.ml (the instance that contains the most disturbing material).

Lemmy.ml also federates with lemmygrad, and the devs advertise lemmygrad on their "join lemmy" site.

Do the Lemmy developers themselves run the lemmygrad.ml site? (Its main logo is a tank, incidentally.)

So yeah, newcomers are presented with a join-lemmy site that promotes Lemmygrad and Lemmy ML, both of which appear to be run by the Lemmy devs.

That pretty much makes it a Lemmy problem.

load more comments (13 replies)
load more comments (15 replies)
[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 26 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Nutomic and Dessalines may be tankies, but they're our tankies

[–] baatliwala@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Not wrong lol. I dislike their behavior but still contribute code to lemmy.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They may be your tankis, but they sure arent our tankies.

They can fuck right off

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 28 points 10 hours ago (14 children)

It's almost certainly because of the tankie factory that is .ml and the fact that it's admins are all hard core tankies (including the main dev! And ofc the whole infamous Nutomic transphobe incident)

Coupled with the fact that a few of the biggest communities are on .ml does not bode well.

That's why I keep calling for a general boycott against posting content or comments on .ml communities.

.ml doesn't want growth, they want a tankie echo chamber, if anybody wants to actually see Lemmy grow at a healthy pace it starts with shuning the hostile tankies and their instances.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago

Make your own instance and defederate .ml or any of the other instances you hate. Go nuts! Show us how it's done.

[–] occultist8128@infosec.pub 9 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

sorry, but what does tankie mean?

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

Generally, those who praise authoritarian regimes who mask, or attempt to, themselves in the cloak of communism/socialism e.g. China or Russia and are SUPER anti-West (Parroting views of the China Russian regime)

Which comes with a whole host of shit takes, like Russia being justified in their invasion or even denying Tiennamen Square and definitely denying the China Uyghur genocide

Basically, they've gone so far left they've circled back into Right-wing authoritarianism

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (12 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›