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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

No, it just would have made Trump's victory even more sad and pathetic. The goose is cooked, Out of Americans who care to get off their ass and vote, there are more Jingoistic Ultranationalists than there are not. Trump's victory was assured if the competition was Kamala or Biden.

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

He needs to fuck off and die.

Not unles we had another pandemic he wouldn't have. Covid won him the election.

[–] mydude@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago
[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 day ago
[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -5 points 1 day ago (11 children)

He should have won. He's smarter, more well spoken, has a better moral compass, a better track record on legislation, better health, better administration.

The comments here show pure distain for Biden and I don't understand why. He was better in every single regard and yet the people who claim to support that constantly spit on him at every opportunity. People who act like that way helped trump to victory. You would never see a republican act that way towards trump.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Your mistake is thinking this was a binary choice. The reality is that both Trump and Biden were competing to convince people to come out and vote. Not to vote for them but just to vote. Nearly everyone would already know if they'd vote Democrat or Republican, the only question was whether they were going to vote at all. Unfortunately Republican and Democrat voters require different motivations.

For Republicans all they need is a target. Someone to be angry at and blame all their problems on. Trump gives them that in spades. They just want someone to tell them it's someone else's fault their life is shit but that they've got a plan to fix it by making someone else suffer. Trump was only too happy to do exactly that.

Democrats meanwhile want to hear exactly how a candidate is planning on fixing problems. Usually not just any problems either, but specifically the problems they care about most. That could be global warming, racism, the wealth gap, workers rights, gun violence, the genocide in Palestine, the housing market, or something else entirely. That is what motivates them to show up to the polls. Biden (and then Harris) largely failed to do that. Instead he put forward plans that either inched towards solving those problems at a snails pace, or like in the case of Palestine outright ignored the problem.

So yes, Biden is objectively a better president than Trump in every metric except for one. The one that actually mattered. The ability to convince people to get off their asses and head to the polls. Honestly at this point the problem isn't even Biden or even Harris, it's the entire DNC and their milquetoast platform.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -2 points 1 day ago (15 children)

This section is so insane. Its shows how well republicans are able to completely rewrite history through propaganda. Biden stuttered a few times in a 1hr+ debate and answered every question intelligently but he fucked up his words on one question. Trump couldnt answer a single question and proved he had no idea what a tariff was or how tax works. But Trump got a single favourable soundbite so I guess he dominated???

After his disastrous performance in his single debate against Trump, during which the president struggled to form coherent answers to questions and seemed utterly lost in the setting, public confidence in his ability to pull off an electoral victory imploded.

You can't keep letting the right get away with narrative shifting like this. Even if Trump had done nothing the right would be online posting that he had the greatest performance of all time. Support your damn candidate if you want to win.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (6 children)

During the debate Biden looked like the resident of an old folks home who walked down the wrong hallway and can't find his way back to the common room.

Everyone who watched the debate saw that. It was a DISASTER for him.

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[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I literally called it the night of the debate that they were going to overreact to him being sick, and not even talk about the multiple lies that Trump told. Sure enough within a week, he was stepping down.

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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In a world where we could have stopped doing the fascists' work for them by calling him old and senile and attacking him at every step? Yeah. I think he would have. Americans like old white guys who enable genocide. Americans hate women. Especially brown women.

That said? I also think we needed the "We have a better choice" of Kamala and the real problem is just that people don't fucking care enough to vote.

So for all my many many many many problems with how the Democrats have handled the election and the fallout of it... I'll give a mulligan on this.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I’ll give a mulligan on this.

Then you're just another centrist absolutely determined to learn nothing from this catastrophe on your watch.

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