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This section is so insane. Its shows how well republicans are able to completely rewrite history through propaganda. Biden stuttered a few times in a 1hr+ debate and answered every question intelligently but he fucked up his words on one question. Trump couldnt answer a single question and proved he had no idea what a tariff was or how tax works. But Trump got a single favourable soundbite so I guess he dominated???
You can't keep letting the right get away with narrative shifting like this. Even if Trump had done nothing the right would be online posting that he had the greatest performance of all time. Support your damn candidate if you want to win.
Dude, the video is available. It was really that bad.
It's not right wing narrative. After I watched the debate I was pissed and felt like the Biden administration had hid the fact that Biden isn't in a condition to be president because that's what happened.
Trump didn't have any coherent answers but you could at least hear him
What question do you think Biden answered worse than trump? Also do you think that Trump is mentally health?
We finally beat Medicare.
Golfing in Afghanistan
yes 1 3s misspeak after he had just provided a good answer to the question. Do you have a single example of a question trump answered better than biden?
He gave a rambling trumpian answer and ended it with nonsense. And just like all of Trump's cult, you're making excuses for obvious cognitive decline.
He's not running anymore. You don't have to carry water for him,
Trump shat the bed too. The difference is that Trump has a cult and Biden has a few scattered diehard centrists. Trump wasn't going to lose any votes that night. Biden did. You don't have the same base. Democrats respond differently than Republicans do.
You do realize that there are people who can be swayed and when they go online and see the right saying they won't and the left saying it's over they will immediately go to the right.
Trump is successful because his base supports him and acts like he won no matter how stupid he sounded.
People on the left could easily find stuff to support and get excited about and hold their criticism for after the election.
The fact that you think a bad Biden answer is equivalent to a normal Trump answer should be enough reason to shit on Trump and support Biden(vocally). Its over now but in retrospective.
And you envy that. You want Democrats to be as stupid as Republicans.
We're not going to pretend a shit sandwich is perfect just because you like the taste.
Saying good things about the candidate you support leading up to an eletection is being smart. Its stupid to say bad things about a candidate you support leading up to an election.
You will always find an excuse to silence people who are critical of genocide.
I watched the debate and your take is so far from reality it's a joke.
We watched a senile old man say he killed medicare. These were not stutters or missteps. This was serious mental decline on exhibit for over an hour.
As much as I dislike Trump, Biden is simply unfit mentally, right now this moment end of story.
I watched Biden answer question after question giving a policy example of what his party had done on that issue and acknowledge that even though there was more work to be done he was working on doing it then he would give the policy example that he was working on.
I then watched trump ignore every single question ramble about immigrants eating dogs, make up hyperbolic statements he thought might sound good to his audience. In the context of the discussion he made no sense.
You can point to that one question but you need to remember Biden answered the question intelligently and the stutter you are talking about was 10seconds in an hour long debate.
Please read just a tiny bit of this and tell me you still stand behind your comment. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-rush-transcript/index.html
For my sanity.
During the debate Biden looked like the resident of an old folks home who walked down the wrong hallway and can't find his way back to the common room.
Everyone who watched the debate saw that. It was a DISASTER for him.
During the debate Biden stuttered a few times(as he has done throughout his life) and misspoke once. Meanwhile Trump rambled incoherently and made up random shit. I don't think Trump made a single true statement that entire debate.
Are you really telling me that you watch a presidential debate and you don't even slightly consider what each candidate is saying? I thought people on lemmy would be a little more intelligent than that.
Dont take what I'm saying as me trying to convince you that Biden was a youthful spirit. I'm only pointing out that Trump is a moron who is able to dodge all criticism and even an 80+ year old Biden is still far above him mentally if you listen to his answers.
It's more about what Biden didn't say than what he said, and as I pointed out in the megapost at the time, he looked like a lost little boy who walked into the wrong room.
The killer bit was AFTER the debate, the post show, he was energized and articulate, a performance completely missing from the debate itself, which shows the lie of "well, he had a cold, he was tired" etc. etc. He was fine AFTER the debate, where was THAT Biden?
Here's what I'm talking about specifically, the look of a slack jawed dementia patient.
https://www.youtube.com/live/qqG96G8YdcE#t=12m8s
He lost the debate 12 minutes in.
Then you compare that to the Joe who showed up AFTER:
https://youtu.be/6js_ICtFtLA
It's a night and day difference.
Why do people hold Biden to such a high standard when the guy next to him is a complete moron. I'm not going to shit on Biden because he didn't live up to this idea in my head. If he makes a better case than the other guy that's enough. From the debate I think he walked circles around trump on every single issue.
Debates aren't entirely about issues, it's about appearances. We learned that in 1960 with the first televised debate between Kennedy and Nixon. The people who heard it on the radio were convinced Nixon won. The people who watched it on television thought Nixon came across shifty, sweaty, and deceitful, handing it to Kennedy.
https://www.cla.purdue.edu/academic/history/debate/kennedynixon/kennedynixonscholarly.html
Largely because Nixon refused the makeup required for television. Nixon lost the election.
If you appear weak, you are weak, and the inverse is equally true. Trump is /r/confidentlywrong personified, but all the people care about is the confident part, not the wrong part
I know that and I never said or implied they were entirely about issues. Im just trying to find out why so many people who seem more intelligent than the average person ended up judging the debate of rhetoric with zero regard for each candiates answers.
Biden overestimated the american population and should have just called Trump a fat cunt every time he was asked a question.
"Short fingered vulgarian". LOL. Would have gone a long way.
I literally called it the night of the debate that they were going to overreact to him being sick, and not even talk about the multiple lies that Trump told. Sure enough within a week, he was stepping down.
Trump lies every time he speaks, it's the expectation and he met it. That's not news. Biden showed up looking like he was on death's door when he hadn't before, that is news.