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Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

An update to my post about facebook from yesterday; turns out it's much worse:

https://transparency.meta.com/policies/community-standards/hateful-conduct/

[Do not post} Insults, including those about [...] Mental characteristics, including but not limited to allegations of stupidity, intellectual capacity, and mental illness, and unsupported comparisons between PC groups on the basis of inherent intellectual capacity. We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality and common non-serious usage of words like “weird.”

You can see the full diff from last version if you click "Jan 8, 2025" and yeah it's a doozy.

Like many here on awful.systems I have a pretty thick skin, but reading the above put me in a really weird mood all day. I couldn't really concentrate on work. It's hard to believe that they published this with a straight face, and harder to believe that the media isn't dunking on them for it.

On the bright side the policy technically lets you go around calling people insane for being straight or cisgender* if anyone is still on there and wants to get banned from that platform in a blaze of glory.

* or indeed simply having a gender and I'm not sure fascists know how to use words right.

[–] self@awful.systems 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Like many here on awful.systems I have a pretty thick skin, but reading the above put me in a really weird mood all day.

same here. the thing is, I think a lot of us are on awful.systems because we’ve seen far too much of how fascism operates and spreads online. this is an antifascist place; it’s so core to the mission that we don’t publish it as a policy (because a policy can be argued against and twisted and the fash kids love doing that), we just demonstrate it in a way that can’t be ignored. so seeing the first or second (I don’t keep track of these things) most popular social media platform publish a policy whose only purpose is to be used as a weapon against marginalized people, for it to be written in a matter-of-fact “this is just how it is” way, and for essentially nobody outside of the fediverse to push back on it in any real way — that is shocking.

[–] self@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Now the new language merely bans “unsupported comparisons” between protected groups’ on the basis of their “inherent intellectual capacity”

Im sure we all noticed that this is also exactly one of those things which was allowed in the Rationalist places. And one of the reasons that it took them forever to get rid of slurinnameO on the ssc subreddit (E: He now moved to twitter where he has a terrifying 200k followers (cremieuxrecueil if you want to block the shithead)).

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago

It is very disturbing and scary.

They're explicitly carving out an exception to target sexual/gender minorities. And I wonder, given how they are often among the first groups being targeted, and then other groups follow, how long until they add more exceptions? How long until Meta modifies the rules further to e.g. explicitly allow racism too?

Meta/Facebook has never been a good company. But the path they have actively chosen now is so much more evil than before.

[–] mii@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've been around the internet a long time, and even back then when throwing slurs at each other and "making fun" of marginalized groups was, if not accepted, at least tolerated because it was considered some poor attempt at humor, I don't remember ever seeing a rule or passage in any netiquette stating it that explicitly.

It was always "we don't censor speech but don't be an asshole" with a giant asterisk about what both censoring and being an asshole meant, but I don't think I've ever seen even the worst places say, "we explicitly allow hate speech, go ahead".

Holy fucking shitballs.

See this is why I try to do my reading here at night, because now when I feel sad and angry for the rest of the day it's gonna be like 5 hours tops.

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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Zuck wants to get back to his roots

It's time to get back to our roots around free expression and giving people voice on our platforms. Here's what we're going to do: [...] 5/ Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content.

Narrator: this announcement did not, in fact, ease concerns about bias.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ah i recall somebody got mad when I mentioned traditionally capitalists will team up with fascists.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Maybe I was naive, but I didn't expect all this to go that fast and that blatant...

[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, I'm with you. Bad feeling about where this is going.

[–] self@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

a few people have been posting along the lines of “we all knew Facebook was evil, why are you surprised” which seems to miss the point — this is happening so fast and blatant that we’re almost definitely seeing the early stages of a playbook being executed. and even if not: Facebook was already the fash pipeline targeting mom, dad, and grandma. should I feel good that the pipeline is getting much more efficient and pervasive? none of them are ever gonna be on something like the fediverse.

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[–] mlen@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Is that a comedy account? The announcement surely reads as if it was…

To add an insult to the injury meta renames pride themed skins in chat https://labyrinth.zone/objects/e129982d-997e-489b-985a-3ef547b66bf3

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not. Surprise! All of Silicon Valley has gone mask off in preparation for the new administration in Washington!

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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fascist virtue signalling aside, candy floss should not exist. That's like the exact opposite of dental care.

Edit: I have been made aware that Candy Floss is another name for cotton candy, which is delicious. Though my point kind of still stands.

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[–] self@awful.systems 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

the worst Nix project has finally been announced: behold crypto NixOS

I’m starting a paradigm shifting, open and new human / computer interface system that is global, multi device and privacy focused.

[…]

DISCLAIMER: You are not my exit liquidity, I have the best performing long term spot crypto portfolio in the world - I’m a early adopter with 100% hit rate on geniuses. So, I don’t have to work, I’m not building this to become rich. I want to build something paradigm changing - truly mind-blowing, because now we have the tech and I’m annoyed how computer work. It is a lot of work, but it will reward us all.

my “this isn’t a grift and I’m not a grifter” disclaimer is prompting a lot of questions already answered by the disclaimer. but speaking of prompting, what goes with crypto?

ChatGPT-1o thinks, after some reinforced asking, that the MC of such a coin can reach 300-1000M; I think it could easily go higher - it solves so fundamental problems in a much more elegant way. In my opinion, it will be the same step as the command line to the windowed systems was. Or dump phone to smart phone. It will just span devices and span users while keeping the data under control and of companies.

of course. after some reinforced asking, gpt told me you’re all haters if you don’t think I’m as important as Xerox PARC!

there’s lots more in the OP to sneer at, but here’s the worst part of the thread:

Mod note: I’m glad to see doubt and scepticism about crypto-based claims. However, that point has now been made; please avoid any further posts in that vein to avoid a pile-on dunkfest, and leave the thread for any potential on-topic discussion.

thanks for nothing as usual NixOS discourse!

e: via mastodon, archive

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago

i forced chatgpt to say that my idea will make you a billion dollars but i think it can go higher

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Must be rich indeed, the disclaimer is pure gold.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

after some reinforced asking

Shit chatgpt is self aware, it did the 'if I agree with you will you shut the fuck up' thing.

E: while I shouldn't speak on that subject, weird typos.

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[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Just want to share this great term & definition "hyperkludge" coined by Jonathan Korman (@miniver on bsky and masto)

hyperkludge: a design which is not a good solution for much of anything, but is a tolerably bad solution for so many things that it proliferates until network effects help it beat out better designs

https://miniver.blogspot.com/2023/01/hyperkludge-n.html

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Examples off the top of my head:

  • Almost everything about TCP/IP stack
  • NETCONF
  • YAML
  • Most things related to cars and car infrastructure
  • Alcohol
  • Chiclet keyboards
  • Unicode Han unification
  • Layer 2 SDN
  • Kubernetes
  • JavaScript
  • Disk partitioning
  • UEFI
  • Public transit fares

Edit: checked the link and was surprised our lists didn't have any ones in common (though I considered including MS Excel).

[–] self@awful.systems 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
  • MS-DOS and Windows, of course…
  • but, and this will get some boos, Unix as a workstation OS compared with every other non-windows workstation OS
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[–] mlen@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm surprised that alphabetical lists are included. Maybe my brain has completely rotten, but keeping the data sorted is pretty neat for efficient processing

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I just want to harp on this one:

“Existing methods for testing are often very technical and not very attractive, neither for developers nor for users.”

Wtf, can you imagine saying something like this about literally any other profession than software engineering? "Existing methods for checking brake pressure are often very technical and not very attractive, neither for mechanics nor for users". "Existing methods for sterilising surgical equipment are often very technical and not very attractive, neither for surgeons nor for patients". "Existing methods for checking voltage are often very technical and not very attractive, neither for electricians nor for users".

The lack of any fucking standards that devs are held to is insane, so the excuse for accessibility in the web being shit is that it's TOO TECHNICAL and kinda annoying for web devs??? Again, can you fucking imagine saying this about anything else, "ye, cars kinda suck because making sure they don't is all technical and kinda boring for mechanics to do".

It's YOUR JOB. Literally YOUR PROFESSION. PROFESSIONALS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE STANDARDS you fucking piece of shit, have you no honour, not a single care in the world for your craft, you fucking babies. "Oh but it's very technical" YOU'RE A TECH SPECIALIST. THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU GET YOUR SALARY FOR????

[–] mii@awful.systems 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The worst bit is, the devs who aren’t like this are basically forced to comply anyway. Whenever I justify a delay in some release with that testing/bugfixing takes time, I get slapped with release it anyway, you can patch it later, and although I am lucky to be in a privileged position where I can fight this for some amount of time, every young programmer who comes into a job with a good mindset is not and has to bend over or face shit like negative performance reviews because they’re too slow.

This is so fucking infuriating. I don’t want to release shit software, I want to make sure the stuff I ship works. Back when patching meant you had to ship a physical medium to a non-trivial amount of users, that was how things worked, but apparently only because IT HAD TO and not because it’s good fucking work ethics to have. Now that you can just zero-day patch everything it’s apparently okay to ship unfinished shit and use your customers as beta testers.

I hate this so much and I try to avoid doing this as much as I can professionally. And whenever I can’t I actually feel bad and want to apologize to everyone who has to use that shit release.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks, that was infuriating to read.

Whenever techbros use the word "storytelling", some disaster follows...

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago

Reading through announcements of new hardware from CES and the endless series of products containing "AI" is so tiring. Not suprising, but still... ugh. Claims of AI in everything.

My favourite so far: USB controller with "AI enhancements" because... uuh... if I understand it right, you could theoretically use it to connect an external GPU and use that for AI, so that's why "AI" is in the marketing for the USB controller...?

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Molly White on one of the more obvious problems with betting markets

Tried to add the screenshot in the post but it won't work for some reason.

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[–] khalid_salad@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Does anyone else get tired of "read documentation and edit this text file to configure your app" Unix shit? I have no problem with the underlying configuration being a text-file (makes for a straightforward API), but do I really need to navigate to https://mpv.io/manual/master/#configuration-files and go through the rigamarole of figuring out which options I need to edit/include^[0]^ because I misplaced (read: sudo rm -rf /) my config file?


[0]: And there is always so much implicit bullshit. "By default, we summon Cthulhu on Tuesdays and Thursdays if the variable summon_octopus_guy is unset." It's a fucking config file, my friends, can we just be explicit?

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah. I recently wanted to configure something in pipewire... the idea was simple: just creating a boot-persistent audio loopback, i.e. connecting an audio input to an output. I gave up for now after looking at the config examples for that in the documentation. How can such a simple thing need such complex configuration?

As for losing configs, I've started to put all my hand-edited config files in a git repo on my NAS so at least I only have to figure out things once.

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

My favorite quote from flipping through LessWrong to find something passingly entertaining:

You only multiply the SAT z-score by 0.8 if you're selecting people on high SAT score and estimating the IQ of that subpopulation, making a correction for regressional Goodhart. Rationalists are more likely selected for high g which causes both SAT and IQ

(From the comments for "The average rationalist IQ is about 122".)

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

For a fun 20 minutes or so, I recommend going through the recent enron “revival”. (It’s all satire)

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago

The New Antitrust is so goddamn meta, deep writing from the 2025 authors

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