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It's one of those systems which is only "great" if you never need to actually get the money to pay for a significant healthcare bill.
It's been terrible forever, but it's gotten bad enough that many more of those consequences have leaked up into the middle class. A lot of people now suddenly realizing it's terrible grew up in middle class families that are now priced out of usable healthcare services. This is what it's been like for many people below the poverty line, they just don't get any news coverage when they die from a lack of insulin.
Let's be honest. Agree with it or not, it is difficult to argue against the effectiveness of that assassination. Three bullets have brought true discussion about the cluster fuck that is American healthcare further than over a decade of Bernie screaming about it every chance he got. Will something come of it? We shall see.
Discussion doesn't help much when everything is controlled by the billionaires. To be honest I don't think anything will, corruption in the system has gone way too deep.
Damn, I expected your account to have been created in the last month.
The OG guerilla marketing tactic...
If anything tangible and lasting actually does come of it you might be right, but so far the "discussion" seems to center around either cheering for Mangione or raging against him, intellectualizing about morality, louder unfocused wealth hatred, and tons of overgeneralized memes. We've had anecdotal reports of more insurance claims being approved, but that's at corporate whim and can change back any time. Are any Congressional bills in the works? Granted, I've mostly been ignoring the news since the fucking election and it's very possible that I've missed something.
Way to prematurely overstate this while shitting on Bernie
They are not necessarily shitting on Bernie, it's just that the US is at a point where opposition from within the system (Bernie) can safely be ignored by the rich.
The rich need to be reminded, that seeking a compromise with the working class through the system is preferable to the alternative. That it is - in fact - unsafe to ignore that the working class is increasingly fed up with a system that always screws them over.
The language "he has been screaming about..." seems pretty critical and dismissive typically.
That's your own interpretation...
And yours is that it was flattering to Bernie (or anyone else) to claim they "scream" about [vague concept]?
See, that's what I'm saying - you assign a negative connotation to "scream". Why do you think that is?
Because not only have I seen that used by conservatives trying to discredit Bernie, I've seen it used by everyone to discredit anyone they disagree with. It seems like you're saying connotations are an individual problem that billions of us need to just get over. I don't agree, they are a standard part of human communication that need to be considered.
If they deny you. Deny their existence. That is all.
It is so quintessentially American that they would base their entire healthcare system around the good will of for-profit companies and be shocked when they see how that turns out.
It's almost as if a parasitic organization, within a capitalist system that utilizes mottos like "you're ether growing or dying," would devolve into an ever more repugnant system that resorts to more and more denials of "service" as it can't innovative to create more value, because they don't create anything. These "services" just try to retain as much money given to them as possible and need to retain more and more to be "growing" as Lord God The Shareholder and the Holy Son Board Of Directors demands.
It's almost like that.
You keep thinking maybe... maybe... conservatives who defend corporate healthcare to the death - sometimes literally so - would figure out that making it a public service like fire and police just makes sense and is not a threat to Freedom. How stupid would it be if the fire department refused to hose down your house without preapproval from an insurance company?
All your comment did was convince conservatives we need to privatize police and fire.
We might bring back pouring molten gold down the rich assholes throats, if the fire department did that again.
Edit: I'm aware that probably is just a legend and the Parthians probably killed Crassus in battle/ negotiations.
exposed
lolwut? is there anyone who wasn't aware of the US health scare system? America has been a global laughing stock for my entire life.
It's one of the things the US is famous for with the rest of the world, which doesn't even care. That's how exposed it is. It's notorious. The default is, "Oh, that's that place with the insanely poor health system."
"Exposed" lol
at the same time though i know a lot of foreigners who think it's all an exaggeration until they get here
Even with insurance, the average out of cost for a vaginal birth with no complications is over $2000. It jumps up to about $12,000 if you need a C-section. Those prices aren't what the insurance pays, that is what you pay while your insurance company tries to avoid paying the hospital anything. If your newborn has complications and needs to go to the NICU, you will easily be on the hook for six figures
i don't think there's any set of numbers that can wake people up. i think the terror of american healthcare is so specific, visceral, and unfathomable to someone who's received care as a dignity, that the only wakeup call is something specific, visceral, and unfathomable
I am aware, it's like student debt where the fogures are so astronomical that they have become abstract. I'm trying to let our non-American counterparts know that however expensive they think basic healthcare is here, it's way worse than they think.
Shit, just an ER visit, with no complications, no injuries, and no other issues, would have set me back $5k after I had a car accident. What I received:
The ambulance company also tried to bill me $1300 for a ride that took me a grand total of 3 miles, and tried to bill me twice AFTER my insurance had already paid them out.
The good news is that my workplace at the time was extremely large, and the accident happened during work hours, so I got covered by worker's comp and didn't have to pay a dime.
I knew it was bad but never thought it could be as bad as it is
People in the known knee... But regular people are busy talking about how great ACA is or how it is straight communism.
Eitherway, cost are high, no body at fault, nothing to be done, the poors deserve it 🤡
sadly the sytem was not better before. The aca stopped pre-existing conditions and bidens no surprise billing was a big add. Unfortunately they will always find a way to make it worse and we need it nationalized.
The media and a lot of social media painted the killing of the CEO as a kind of revenge by a victim of the health care system. But to be honest carefully looking at how it was planned and execute I got a very different impression. It looked like a contract killing executed by a professional.
I don't think that this event can be seen as a signal of the status of the system. If that interpretation were true we should see a lot more executives in the health care sectors being killed.
The event itself might not be a signal of the status of the system... But the nearly unanimous reaction of the peasant working class certainly was