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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 8 points 5 hours ago

"Expansion"?

Oh, you mean unprovoked imperialist invasion of friendly countries?

Cue the idiots saying "But he never started a war!""

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago

Ignore distraction

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Altermante headline, as found on CNN's home page: Trump considers US expansion.

The contents of the article are nothing new. I'm posting this to show a prime example of two things: The mainstream media's painting of coverage favorable to Trump in order to avoid his wrath and the political and legal retribution that comes with it, and the media's sanewashing and normalizing of Trump's ramblings.

Wanting to take Panama by force, trade Puerto Rico for Greenland in order to get rid of the brown people, and threatening to annex Canada in order to piss off Trudeau isn't "teasing" or "considering US expansion". It's the inane ramblings of a dementia patient off their meds, and should be being treated by the media about as seriously as saying he's going to use Space Force to take Jupiter back from King George Jetson. The only proper response to this should be to pat him on the head and tell him it's OK as they quietly escort him back to his room.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Teasing? Considering? He was pretty straightforward about saying they must be brought under US control.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

You may be underestimating the value of Canada and Greenland to Putin.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also we all know Trump isn't going to do shit. He constantly says crazy shit that has no hope of ever becoming a reality all the time. The only thing that should be making headlines at this point are things he's actually done, not just rambled about one time in a brain fart.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 6 points 5 hours ago

Also we all know Trump isn’t going to do shit.

Family separation. Selling out the Kurds. Sabotaging the national covid response so he and his cronies could extract some money, at the cost of over half a million American lives. Insurrection.

Trump does shit. Not all of it in his Depends.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 14 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I wonder what really bad stuff they are actually up to. This sounds like a blustery distraction.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

wonder what really bad stuff they are actually up to.

Concentration camps for undocumented immigrants (and documented ones that they don't like). More book-burnings. More attacks on trans people. Destruction of the NIH. NOAH, the FDA, and any other agency that exists to protect American lives. Destruction of anything that competes with fossil fuels. Show trials of anyone who has ever made Pig Boy feel sad. Selling out Ukraine. Attempted destruction of NATO.

I think that's the year 1 agenda.

[–] BMTea@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

The liquidation of the nation of Palestine (and possibly extermination of its people), ending free speech in universities, counterproductive brinksmanship with China, imposing backwards education on the nation's children etc.

[–] hypna@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

The media keeps talking about how they've learned their lesson about how to report on Trump; that they're not going to get spun up about all the noise he makes; that they're not going to let him switch the story every week; that they're going to focus on the real, material things that are going on.

Well here we are again, writing deeply concerned pieces about a handful of tweets (or whatever they're called in Trump land). And here Lemmy is upvoting them.

Trump is a troll. Don't feed the trolls.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 5 hours ago

Trump also destroys things and people. He's not just a troll.

Though I agree that the media feeding fear and learned helplessness is part of the problem. The solution is to take the threat seriously and to organize to stop it by any means necessary.

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago

I couldn't upvote this enough

[–] vegeta@lemmy.world 13 points 22 hours ago
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

~~Teasing~~ Having Dementia Hallucinations

[–] mercphilby@discuss.online 5 points 23 hours ago

He’s going to buy Canada from Mexico, and make Mexico pay for it.

[–] mercphilby@discuss.online 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

lol. As if Denmark is going to sell it.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

Trump loves to threaten allies.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It cracks me up the way he says buy and the us should own it. Lets say it even happened the way we bought alaska. it would make it the 51st state. it would make it part of us and much like alaska it determine how resources are used and likely have its own fund to encourage people to come liver there. but he talks like it would be a possession the way the us owns florida or texas.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Would not make anything a state. Have you seen Puerto Rico? Guam? American Samoa?

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

puerto rico is not a state because every time the opportunity arose they voted not to be one. guam and american samoa im not really sure whats going on.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Oh don’t forget Washington DC.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com -3 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

oh common. do you think thats a legitamate example. it was carved out of maryland and virginia for the specific purpose of being the capital with no state having authority over it.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

But I believe (correct me if I'm wrong, please) that it was also not meant to have a civilian population at all, and only be home to businesses, government offices, and those who were in elected office until they left and returned home. The absence of a civilian population would render the fact that DC has no representation in congress moot. But people started living there, causing the problem of having no representation in Congress.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 5 hours ago

it was also not meant to have a civilian population at all

Meaning that its population was almost entirely African-American and therefore to be ignored.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 20 hours ago

yeah and the area is run by the federal government so not having federal representation is basically like not having state representation to boot.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

And the people who live there don’t have representation in Congress, but that’s not the point.

The point is that it’s not a state. Just “being a possession of the United States” doesn’t confer statehood.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

yes but again its not typical it was a very specific thing. The land had belonged to two different states. the guam, puerto rico, us virgin islands are similar but dc is in on way similar.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Alaska was purchased by the US in 1867. It didn't get statehood until 1959.

Being a possession of the United States of America does not automatically make it a state.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 20 hours ago

true but its basically a bureaucracy thing at that point. as long as the it has a populace and they seek statehood its going to happen.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

guam and american samoa im not really sure whats going on.

Population issues. An admittedly quick Google search (so take it for what it's worth) says that the minimum population is 60,000 adult males. Guam has a population of 172k, so there are either not enough adult males among the 172k (which is unlikely but possible once you factor out women and children under 18), or there are other issues I'm unaware of (including maybe simply not wanting to become a state).

The other US territories outside of Puerto Rico and Guam typically have populations of less than 50k in total per territory, which would make them way, way too small to be considered for statehood. Admitting them as states would also give them outsized voting power when compared to population size, particularly in the US Senate. But even in the HOR, you'd have one representative from each territory representing roughly the population of a small US city who's vote would carry weight equal to others that are representing half a million to a million or more each.