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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

just one watchlist? pls if you protested the iraq war back in the day, you're probably on like 50.

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Me: curiously googling if you can 3d printed drones and mini tanks

Reality: jersey drones and world unrest

Ah I'm on a few already I'm sure

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 160 points 4 days ago

That face...

"I'm a fucking child, why am I here saying shit you irresponsible fuckers should already know!?"

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm left leaning, aka a "lib" and I'm a fan of things that are anti-capitalist.

I think capitalism has outlived it's usefulness, just like religion did when we created modern criminal forensics.

At this point, we have so much in excess that if we did things in a reasonable and logical way, nobody would be homeless, nobody would go hungry.

The people with the power (money) don't want things to change, because they get to stay in power that way. The only way to oust them is to overthrow the system.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

This is not a lib mindset. It's at least progressive if not further left. Libs will fight and die for capitalism, but they want the messaging to be nice about it.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If you're on your deathbed, and looking back, you haven't been on at least one watch list, will you be able to say you have truly lived at all?

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 35 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I don't get lib as an insult. Seems like pretty much everyone on Lemmy is on liberal side of center. I've seen some hexbear users use it to refer to anyone who isn't as tankie as they are, but I don't get it.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 70 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

The US uses lib to mean socially liberal, in opposition to the cons. The rest of the world uses it to mean fiscally liberal, as in support of not regulating capitalist markets, which is an anti worker position.

People often get pissy that a word can have more than one definition.

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I didn't even know the second definition existed at all. Ty for sharing.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Given the number of Americans on here it's now starting to make sense why I keep seeing commenters get snagged on the word "liberal."

Liberals are not progressive. At least not except incidentally. I think that's true everywhere...?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Meanwhile im an American and spending so much time online with Europeans and internet leftists has resulted in my wife having to remind me not to insult libs at social events because people will think I'm talking about the left not capitalists.

I've also converted to metric which annoys everyone at work but they respect my reasoning too much to stop me

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Be the change you want to see in the world.

On the point of metric, my partner is more used to Imperial measurements so I've just put up little hand drawn conversion charts around the house, mostly the kitchen.

On the point of lib bashing, that's harder. You can really only have those more nuanced conversations with open-minded people in smaller groups (or just find your local socialists).

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, fortunately as an engineer I just have to say "I'm the one who has to do the math on these numbers so I'm doing my layouts in metric rather than converting between x/2^n inches and feet fifty times per layout" and people are sympathetic

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Progressive really isn't the catch all that people think it is. The existence of progressive conservative movements and self professed progressive christian Democrats in the past should be enough to prove that. It's a nice label to state the aspirations of your political ideology(and your results focused method) but not a way to describe your ideology.

One of America's most historically popular progressive politician who used government power to bust trusts and fight for "a fair deal", for example, was still an economic liberal, a conservative American exceptionalist and a warhawk.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thank you, that makes more sense.

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[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

And even more generally, Western liberal democracy which most flavors of anarchism and socialism view as a system that is neither based on securing liberty or particularly democratic.

[–] squid_slime@lemm.ee 11 points 3 days ago

This is the american bastardised version of the word, a liberal has more context then centrist.

[–] sean@lemmy.wtf 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (24 children)

I'm an anarchist socialist. We hate tankies, we hate libs. Libs are capitalists. Tankies are authoritarian. We hate both of those. Eh not hate but you know what I mean. Not ideologically compatible, therefore not allowed in the commune and you aren't allowed to hurt others, and if I hear a lib say how they're going to employ someone or a tankie talk about a vanguard state I'm gonna be upset

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tangent topic, but how does an anarchist system prevent popular leaders from gaining authority? Also, how does it defend against an aggressive authoritarian neighbour that wants to annex territory?

I like the idea of anarchism in theory, but I just don't see how it could be possible to get there from here where every existing power would see it as an ideological threat to their own power (similar to how capitalist powers reacted to communism), or how it would maintain stability if it was realized.

And as much as I don't like the monopoly on violence system because it seems to encourage corruption on the side with more access to violence, I can't help but think it would eventually devolve into a lot of in-fighting.

Like power constantly rises from nothing more than physical strength, charisma, or good strategic thinking in groups of humans. Some primates other than humans go to war with their neighbouring groups. Egypt became a kingdom when one tribe conquered the rest, and that one wasn't the first to try. Countless empires have risen and fallen, most of the time despite violent resistance of those who would rather be neighbours than subjects. The Vikings sailed around raiding for their own benefit and then later conquered regions like in France, Britain, Sicily, and Kiev. The Mongols did the same except using horses instead of boats. Then European powers did it. Then America started pretty much puppeting anyone who went against corporate interests while a cultural movement in Russia and China started out trying to move power out of the hands of their ruling class only to see even more authoritarian powers take over.

History is full of cases of "I don't care what you want, this is what I want and I'll just kill you if you don't go along with it." How could that change?

[–] Lazhward@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Of course there's no easy answers, but your post reminded me of the following:

Hannah Arendt's essay 'On Violence'. Power stems from people collectively working towards change, strength etc. is violence. Anarchism requires a collective desire which is anti-coercion and anti-violence. Arendt was partly inspired by Rosa Luxemburg's views on spontaneous revolution.

Graeber's 'Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology' and le Guin's fictional novel 'The Dispossessed' give some insight into what is required for maintaining anarchist ways of organizing. In brief: you leave, divorce yourself from oppressive systems and start over elsewhere.

Which is of course difficult if not impossible on a planet which has been near entirely colonized. Somewhat more philosophical, anarchism requires the dissolution of notions of property. Agamben writes on monastic forms of life, which seem rather anarchist to me, in 'The Highest Poverty'. Graeber and Wengrow mention the 'sacredness' of objects in 'The Dawn of Everything', which is a terribly deep anthropological and philosophical rabbit hole, but there's some interesting connections between sacred objects and possession.

All books mentioned are worth the read of course, imo.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 days ago

If you aren't being watched by at least 9 letters worth of government agencies, you're boring

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 45 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Layla Moran on the left is a member of their Liberal Democrats and someone who police were called out to when they allegedly beat their partner over an IT issue.

Ed Milliband in the middle is a minister and former leader of the Labour party. Maybe not the biggest leftie but enabled members to vote for their leader which paved the way for Jeremy Corbyn to win.

Based on the above two points, this feels to be quite badly labeled if you know who they are.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Was curious if the background! What's with Greta's wide eye face?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 14 points 4 days ago

Rolf Harris just been announced as a special guest.

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[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

it's called mutual aid and we start by fire bombing parliament ...

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 days ago

I’m surely safe to respond to this because as an American we all know parliaments are for commies.

Right Mr fbi agent?

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 4 days ago

If you’re not on several watchlists in 2024 you’re one of the bad guys.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Generic antiestablishmentarism isn't going to put you on a watchlist, this isn't the 1950s. Glowies have better tech nowadays.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you wanna be on a list, start collecting old army field manuals. It's one thing to say "we should start fire bombing McDonald's," it's another thing to say "we should start fire bombing mcdonald's, and here's instructions on how to do it"

Not that we should be firebombong McDonald's lol I would never recommend that

But I would recommend reading TM 31-201-1, especially pages 78-82

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Want to know how Luigi found what hotel Brian Thompson stayed at? It's right in his "manifesto." He used social engineering.

Social engineering is when you just take advantage of people's natural predilictions to give you info or access that you shouldn't have. For example, if he were to just call up UHC and ask them where the CEO was staying, they would likely just have called the police. Instead, he had to think of some plausible reason that someone might need that info through unofficial channels. I have no idea how he actually did it, but for example, Thompson was a famous womanizer who cheated on his wife. He was your standard sleazy executive scumbag. That can be exploited.

*Hi, CEO's office? I'm John Doe, an underling over at the CFO's office. My boss wants to give Brian a special surprise at this year's company meeting. We're thinking of hiring a few girls to come over and keep him company one evening. I need to know where to have them sent. I would send an email or look up the info in our records system, but, as you can understand, it's best if there's no paper trail. Can you let me know what hotel he's staying at?"

These social engineering methods are the same tools scammers use, but they work just as well for assassins.

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (4 children)
[–] Etterra@discuss.online 3 points 2 days ago

They forgot the small amount of gravel.

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[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

I clicked on this image you posted and then men in black fell through my ceiling.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
[–] 4oreman@lemy.lol 13 points 4 days ago

at least you have nice braids

[–] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

NEEED MOArr LUIGI MEMES!!!! NOW PLLLLEEEEEZZZEEEE

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

followed

You won't.

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