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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Authentication for my work email: Enter 28 character password, receive sms, enter message, log in

Authentication for my Battle.net account:

-Enter email made before 2000 because they don't let you change email

-Enter password

-Get rejected

-Solve CAPTCHA

-Try backup passwords, get rejected

-Request new password

-Send request to 24 year old email

-Try to log on to 24 year old email, email is suspicious and sends Authentication request to my newer email

-Open newer email, Authenticate older email

-open old email, Put in code to battle.net

-Battle.net requests Authenticator code from Battle.net app

-Open battle.net app (no requests)

-Try manual code, doesn't work

  • Realize Battle.net app Authenticator not connected

-Try to connect Battle.net app Authenticator to account

-Realize you cannot connect Authenticator without signing in AND signing in requires Authenticator

-Close Battle.net app

-Open Blizzard Authenticator

-Close warning that this app got depreciated in January

-Enter manual code

-it works

-Attempt to change password to password I first attempted

-Won't let me use same password

-Try logging in using that password

-Still doesn't work - Solve one more CAPTCHA

-Change password to backup password and back to original password - have to solve 2 more Captchas

-Finally works

-Log in

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[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 106 points 6 days ago (1 children)

NIST has been saying since 2016 not to use SMS for MFA. It's always been horribly insecure.

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 69 points 6 days ago (11 children)

The problem for me is that most Canadian Banks give you the choice of SMS or their shitty adware filled bank app that relies on Google Play Services and wont implement TOTP so I can use a true MFA app. And Im done with being forced to accept user policies I don't agree with to do shit, and most of all done with Google Play Services on my device 😑

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Should be illegal to put ads in something as crucial to day-to-day life as a banking app.

If it's not illegal, then everyone is going to do it and we won't have the "choice" that crapitalists love to tout so much.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 days ago

Adding to this that my Canadian bank just updated their app and it doesn't work with my older phone. So my only option is to use online services with SMS/call verification.

It's such a joy to know that my bank, who made $40.670 billion last year, takes care of every customer equally.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 days ago (13 children)

This is the main reason I switched to Fidelity here in the US. It's a brokerage, but it does basic bank things, like checks, debit card, etc, and they support SymantecVIP, which works w/o Google Play Services. TOTP support really isn't that hard, I don't understand why banks are so slow in adopting it...

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The issue is, banks are only going to do what they're required to do by law. The government is run by dinosaurs who don't know what computers are, let alone what TOTP is.

No, they're only going to do what they're required to do by their insurance. The law is an option, but if insurance costs go way up if they don't have proper MFA, they'll get MFA.

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[–] oldfart@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

My bank prides itself being the first in the country to support yubikeys for 2fa. I was so happy until i learned it's just for logging in, transactions are still confirmed by SMS or their app. And security experts all say it's better this way, using a regular 2fa solution would be insecure because you wouldn't know what you're confirming.

There really is no hope.

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[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 39 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I hate forced 2FA that you can't disable anyway. I don't want to waste time waiting for an insecure text, I don't want to input an unencrypted code you sent to my email, I don't want to click your damn notification that runs through Play Services, and no I'm not enrolling in passwordless auth. I don't need to be babied into securing my accounts. Any account I do actively and willingly secure is already using TOTP. Let me put in my username and password, then kindly fuck off.

[–] Charlatan@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yeah. So you, myself, and some others are the exception to the rule. But, you can't look at it that way because its a 'lowest common denominator' problem. The least secure of us means we are all only as secure. Others need to be hand held.

It's definitely time to raise all boats and drop SMS 2fa like a hot rock.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

The end of an era.

Or actually, probably not until we redo whole cellular phone technology works and kick out all the bad actors using SS7 vulnerabilities for stuff like spoofing numbers and stealing messages. We really shouldn't be using a 45 year old system for almost all communications.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Use Telegram.

Not the app, the 200 year old wire radio messaging system based on Morse code, E2EE (Elderly man to Elderly man Enciphered)

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

In their defense, they JUST applied an update in March 1993, so they're knocking on the doors of cutting edge technology updates -_-

Edit: added link

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Oh it turns out we needed NSA to do its actual fucking job after all rather than holding onto exploits for the surveillance state.

Now — for the second time — we have an adversarial administration eager to weaponize government departments while Americans are vulnerable. Why? Because America is the good guys and would never abuse its extrajudicial powers (say, by detaining, rendering and torturing Americans with names similar to those of POIs.)

We could have had twenty-four years of robust communications security developments if NSA didnt sell the public out like Judas.

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

So many services still don't even offer 2FA at all. Any service that stores payment information and PII without any 2FA options, let alone a secure one, at this point are a disgrace.

Banks, I'm looking at you

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago

Always has been

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (17 children)

Since when was sms ever secure? My understanding is that messages are sent in the clear, meaning your carrier and the recipient's carrier both have the opportunity to intercept messages.

I mean that's the message content, not the authentication, but still, sms is the opposite of secure, always has been.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Incoming forced 4-factor authentication

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Something you know, something you are, something you have, and something you saw in a dream once when you were a kid at summer camp during a feverish Dr Pepper-overdose-driven fitful sleep at age 12.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 26 points 6 days ago (2 children)

of course it is. forced 2fa BY SMS OF ALL THINGS is one of the stupidest ideas

[–] capital@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I assume businesses only jumped at the chance to enable SMS 2FA to get their greedy little fingers on our phone numbers.

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Even stupider is supporting hardware keys for MFA, but having SMS fallback which can't be disabled (looking at you, Vanguard). I'd much rather have email as my second factor than SMS, and I literally abandoned a bank (Ally) for removing email as an alternative to SMS.

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Edieto12@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

id take email Authentication over sms Authentication if there was only them 2 let me use my 2facter app for the love of god plz i hate how banks use sms its like come on man

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago

Hollywood hacking has nothing on real hacking it seems.

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