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[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 136 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So do you use JSON for your endpoints?

No we use XML

Oh interesting why is that?

Uhhh.....no reason

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well SOAP is inherently evil so that just makes sense

[–] bahbah23@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What happens is that engineers look at a technology and say, this is too complex, I just need something simple. So they invent and/or adopt something simpler than the popular technology of the day.

But as they build more and more things using the technology, they realize that it needs more features, so those get added on. This happens over and over again to the technology with more and more features being added to it, until a new set of engineers look at it and say this is too complex, I just need something simple...

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 15 points 1 week ago (7 children)

You've just described what is probably the most well-known xkcd comic in a somewhat long-winded fashion.

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[–] _____@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I work with SOAP for a legacy API

fucking kill me, I beg you

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] NiHaDuncan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

GraphQL saved my ass on a term project that required extensive polling of the GitHub API. Turned a calculated 47 days of calls just under the rate limit into just 12 hours.

[–] muelltonne@feddit.org 72 points 1 week ago (6 children)

The biggest problem with such a clause is that it is hard to define "evil", even if it seems clear to you. Some people think that abortion is evil, so are abortion clinics banned from Json? What about the military and weapon manufacturers? Killing is evil, but you all know how the discourse about the military as national heroes that can't be evil in the US goes. What about a service like X - is it evil? Can you define "evil" for a surveillance tool that brands itself as ad tech?

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The clause also states that the product MUST be used for Good, which is a higher bar. I'd imagine most things JSON is used for are fairly morally neutral.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ask every single person what is the definition of evil and merge all the answers into one definition

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

That'd be all the things.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You'd end up with Schrödinger's Evil

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[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How does one address the paradox that, as JSON itself is evil, one cannot use it for evil?

(opinions may vary on the above; but it's mine, so nyah nyah.)

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It's less evil than XML or YAML

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

XML is ok for complex docs where you have a detailed structure and relationships. JSON is good for simple objects. YAML is good for being something to switch to for the illusion of progress.

[–] Earflap@reddthat.com 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Meh. I just wish XML was easier to parse. I have to shuttle a lot of XML data back and forth. As far as I can tell, the only way to query the data is to download a whole engine to run a special query language, and that doesn't really integrate into any of my workflows. JSON retains the hierarchy and is trivially parsed in almost any programming language. I bet a JSON file containing the exact same data would be much smaller also, since you don't list each tag twice.

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

It's still using the lesser of 3 evils, we need a fourth human readable data interchange format.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Problem: There are ~~3~~ 4 standards

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[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

>TOML has entered the channel

Any human-readable format compatible with JSON is inevitably going to be used as an interchange format...

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago

This is peak licensing

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Spoilsports. Next they'll be telling me I can't use apple software in the development, design, manufacture, or production of nuclear, missile, or chemical or biological weapons.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

Me buying my first IBM ThinkPad online:

IBM: are you planning to use this ThinkPad to produce weapons of mass destruction?

Me: I wasn't before, but now I'm curious

[–] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago (10 children)

So if I use it to draw a rocket, I'm violating its license?

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 week ago

If its a design for something you plan to build then all your software is going to turn into buggy java applets and Tim Apple will give you a wet willy the next time you're trying to look cool. It's right there in the license.

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[–] ailepet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wait I though the point of these post-opensource clauses (see also: anti-capitalist licence, WTFPL, etc.) was to scare off the big corporations lawyers and make sure your code won't end up in AWS or something like that? Are Linux distros the only actors who are still giving a shit about licencing?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you want to scare corporations use AGPL or, if you're feeling spicy, SSPL. Do not use WTFPL, it's too permissive.

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[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Always were.

Big companies care too but only if their cya arm knows enough about software to actually enforce anything. A lot don't.

[–] renzev@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (4 children)

OK but how can json have a license? I understand a particular json parser having a license, but how can a specification, which contains no code, even be considered "software"?

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Uh define code there. What about when storage and code are both on a machine that considers both instructions and data to be data? Is a spec not a creative work? Is code not just a spec?

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's generally accepted that file formats aren't protected IP, so you can write a compatible reader or writer and be in the clear as long as you reused no code from the original reader/writer. The specification may have licence terms that restrict who you can share the spec with, but you don't necessarily need the official spec to come up with a compatible implementation. Plenty of file formats have been reverse engineered over the years even when the original didn't have a written spec.

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[–] superkret@feddit.org 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The FSF also lists any software as non-free which uses the beer license (use the software in any way you want, and should you ever meet the author, pay them a beer).

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 17 points 1 week ago

I can't stand beer - is there a rum & Coke license?

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I thought it was free as in speech not free as in beer? So if it costs a beer then isn't it still free (as in speech)? Or is this a OSI vs FSF difference?

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[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Is it really contrarian to like the FSF these days? I mean people seem to hate Stallman too but both are pretty important in the history and continuing existence of free software.

The four essential freedoms are in my view as important as the FSF says, and any license that doesn't meet all four will be met with skepticism from me absolutely.

Also, the GPL is a real, legal license, and even if there's a silly clause that causes it to be incompatible, that's still a legal liability - of course they have to take it seriously.

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago
[–] ColonelThirtyTwo@pawb.social 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everybody gangsta with the "don't be evil" clause until the authors turn out to be a nutjob who thinks trans people are blights against God and must be exterminated.

I doubt (or at least hope) that that's not what they think, but hopefully that illustrates why the clause is dumb.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 7 points 1 week ago

100%, and it doesn't seem to lay out a legal definition of "good" so it's actually worse than useless - it's ambiguous.

[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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[–] ryanvade@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I'll be downloading this one

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