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Biden making sure to take a massive shit on his legacy before setting it on fire. His 50 useless years in politics boiled down to his essential self: an empty suit doused in rancid cowardice
Here let me fix the headline for you:
US Senate ~~to vote~~ will vote no on Bernie Sanders-led effort to stop arms sales to Israel
There. That way people won't get the wrong impression, like that any of this fucking matters.
Even if they pass it, It's getting repealed right away in January. This is far too little too late.
Maybe... maybe not. Letting do what they want is in line with trump. But giving money away isn't. So you never know for sure. And isreal probably has enough things stockpiled anyway.
Oh I'm all for them doing it. I'm not trying to say not to do it. If nothing else it will probably bring a lot of Arab Americans back to the Democrats. I'm just bitter because if they had told AIPAC where to go and passed it months ago then I'm pretty sure we'd have at least one swing state. And showing any kind of fire, instead of, "Things will remain the same because we don't see anything wrong with the direction of the country!", would probably have brought more people to the polls in every swing state. I can't guarantee it would have turned into a win, but it wouldn't have been a fucking rout.
Yep. The Trump victory means any attempt whatsoever to hold Netanyahu back is completely meaningless.
I mean they had 4 years
And now Trump has four years in which they'll start doing to the West Bank what they're doing to Gaza, and Trump will also support Russia and abandon Ukraine because he has a hardon for Putin. Trans folk will be locked up for pedophilia and pedophiles will get pardoned. Leftists will be locked up what's left of press freedom and women's rights will be abolished tariffs will push up prices and the fossil fuel industry that started the world inflation project will get free government money. But I have the feeling you're going to want to tell me more about how Harris has all the same policies as Trump or something.
It’s not going to be just four years. This is going to get real ugly real fast.
Never forget the blame for trump ever becoming president in the first place was the DNC let Hillary take over while the primaries were still happening in 2015.
Her campaign literally had approval for anything the DNC said or did.
Shoving neo liberals down America's throats is just letting Republicans win. But the people running the party care more about keeping wealthy donors happy than winning elections.
We can't keep going down this path.
He filled stadiums with his message, she couldn't fill half a highscool gym. It's time for a new party on the actual left.
Stadiums don't vote. The last few weeks before the election there were several posts on lemmy about big crowds attending Haris events while Trump struggled to fill venues and bored his attendees. We now now how that turned out...
We don't need a new party.
We need to get the neo liberals out of leadership positions at the DNC.
We're the party of FDR, not billionaires and fossil fuel corporations.
If the goal is to remove and replace all party leadership, non-compliant party members, and administrative staff, why not just make a new party? Are you just really attached to the name on your ship of Theseus?
Changing a party from the inside when its leadership is Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton is a tough ask. When push comes to shove every democrat falls in line for the center right candidate. Including the 'progressives'.
is it really that hard to change? I think if push came to shove, both of them would fall over, they're octogenarians.
When push comes to shove every democrat falls in line for the center right candidate.
"Democrats" aren't enough to win. We need the people who normally aren't engaged, and the most common reason they give is "both parties only care about the rich'.
Dems continually moving to the right just depresses turnout and allows Republicans to win
Including the ‘progressives’.
Buddy, progressives hold their noses and show up to vote for the least worse option. Personally I've been doing it for decades.
Progressives aren't the problem, they're some of the most politically engaged people in America.
They just get blamed by the neo liberals everytime a neoliberal loses.
Because:
We need the people who normally aren't engaged, and the most common reason they give is "both parties only care about the rich'.
Dems continually moving to the right just depresses turnout and allows Republicans to win
If the DNC wants wins elections, they need to start giving Dem voters what they want, not aiming for "slightly more than trump would do".
Doesn't matter that they should still vote D, the politically disengaged won't vote unless they want the candidate to win or the incumbent out of office.
When a moderate Dem is in office, that means Republicans win the election
It's very very important we finally learn this lesson. So I'm willing to put some time in to help you understand, even if it's incredibly frustrating explaining this for the millionth time.
I'm willing to put the time in help.
We need to rebuild social capital. FDR didn't just happen by himself, he had a backing of growing labor movement, and a much more community-oriented, civically-involved America.
We have that...
Like, you don't need to convince voters that shit is broken, everyone is well aware shit is broken.
There's just not an option that will honestly try to fix the root problem fucking everything up:
Wealth Inequality
When both parties are pro-corps and anti-worker...
The problem isn't growing a movement of voters, it's finding a way to get a candidate past the primary so they can win the general.
Every election there's two fights:
Fight the DNC moderates in the primary
Fight the Republicans and the DNC moderates in the general
If we don't win the first one, there's a very strong chance the candidate who makes it to the general won't be able to beat the Republican in the general. Because they're not what the politically disengaged want.
The good news tho is that there is very very few voters who would even want to pull another PUMA and vote R in the general if a progressive makes it. Some will 100% try it. And the media will shit their pants trying to convince us it won't work.
But it can still work just as well today as it did 16 years ago when they voted R instead of for a Black guy with a progressive campaign.
There's very few neoliberal voters, it's just the people running the party pretend that's the base.
We need to get the neo liberals out of leadership positions at the DNC
And how do you suggest we do that?
The same way the Tea Party primaried out moderate Republicans.
Show up and vote.
Show up and vote
The same way the Tea Party primaried out moderate Republicans.
Democrats protect centrist incumbents and ONLY centrist incumbents. When they have primaries at all.
Show up and vote.
For who you're ordered to and didn't have a say in.
We need to build an actual movement.
I agree - too many people mistakenly believe the Dems can be reformed into an actual leftist party. This just isn’t going to happen. They’re corrupt to the core - a center-right fundraising organization eager to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and they would rather the country burn than do anything against the wishes of their wealthy donors.
Okay. Then you gotta convince every Democrat and then some to agree to leave the party AND join the same new one in order to beat the GOP in a FPTP system. Or your goal is to dilute the power of the corrupt Democrats instead of eliminating them.
Weeding a single corrupt party is easier than creating an entirely new party while simultaneously competing with two existing corrupt parties in a FPTP system.
Nah, I don’t see it playing out that way at all. A genuine populist revolution will easily be able to pull working class voters from all walks of life. In fact, I strongly believe that a true leftist movement in America would force the merger of the neocons and neolibs for their very survival.
For democrats, the problem is that the establishment leverages the DNC delegates to ensure no true populist ever sees the light of day. Plus the usual media smear jobs, etc. Regarding those elitist dems who are in charge and keep forcing these corrupt centrists down our throats, giving us only 5-10% of what’s promised each election at best…they can do whatever they want, which will likely be turning conservative to try for lowering their taxes. We don’t need them, and personally, I don’t want them either.
A genuine populist revolution will easily be able to pull working class voters from all walks of life
I just don't think this is possible with a 3rd party candidate in our system. You'll never pull GOP voters this way, which means you have to pull a shitload of Democratic voters all in the same direction.
I wholly agree with you the issues with the DNC, but there's a solution: we show up in the primaries. The DNC is corrupt, but they aren't flipping primary votes. We can absolutely elect different people to run the party with enough numbers. And if you can't get enough people to do that with a genuine populist message, how are you ever going to start an entirely new party and convince people to show up?
Not a US citizen here, are these open votes? Can we see what portion of democrats voted yes and no etc
Yes, you can actually see the disappointing number of so-called liberals who make a mockery of the concepts of humanitarianism, anti-racism and the rule of law.
Not if they call a voice vote. However, standard Roberts Rules says that anybody can object to the results of the voice vote and then it goes to actually recording things. Voice votes are meant to move things along when it's obvious a vast majority are in favor, not hide who is trying to pull something.