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Exclusive: Trump's transition team aims to kill Biden EV tax credit (www.reuters.com)
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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 152 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

...Tesla - by far the nation's biggest EV maker - have told a Trump-transition committee they support ending the subsidy...Elon Musk, one of Trump's biggest backers and the world's richest person, said in July that killing the subsidy might slightly hurt Tesla sales but would be "devastating" to its U.S. EV competitors, which include legacy automakers such as General Motors.

Jesus. So much for the idea that Tesla is working to accelerate the transition from ICE vehicles to EVs.

I will never buy a fucking Tesla. Ever. I would buy a Chevrolet Equinox EV, and I encourage anyone who is in the market for a new vehicle to buy one before the tax credit goes away.

Edit: I would also get the Honda Prologue. It's also eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. So is the Volkswagen ID.4.

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 37 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I'll honestly buy a Toyota, Honda or Hyundai before I ever buy a GM.

The first two are built here in North America and give jobs directly to my friends.

GM and fuck off an die. They've turned out turds for 30 years now and don't deserve to be helped to stay afloat.

The only legacy NA car manufacturer I'd consider is Ford.

But yeah, you'd be a goof to invest in a Tesla vehicle at this point.

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Chevy volt was and is still a great car. 2000s Chevy trucks are amazing. The Cruze is a steaming pile, the bolt had a battery problem but the ones that got free replacements are doing great, can't think of any other major issues with Chevy tbh.

Saying you'd only buy a Ford is crazy work and just shows you really aren't super informed about cars at all. The focus, the edge, the escape, the ecosport are all dogshit. Certainly not better than gm.

Neither of them are Honda status, but the dud of the 3 domestic manufacturers is stellantis save for ram 1 ton trucks.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've been driving a Fusion Hybrid for years now, and it's been surprisingly great.

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I always wondered how ford hybrids were, my mom has a regular fusion that has been a champ for 250k miles so far.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

As long as you take care of it, they seem like solid cars. And this is coming from someone who has pretty much only ever driven Japanese cars (and driven them into the ground, to well I've 200k miles). At least the ones from like 2012-2015... I can't really speak to other years

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah Honda and Toyota are goated. Toyota recently is falling hard tho. Be careful if you're in the market for one soon, 2022 and up Toyota is losing their reputation quickly

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

The Prologue and Equinox are a joint venture between Honda and Chevrolet!

As a Canadian I would never buy a GM product because of the shit they pulled after 2008.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 days ago

GM also tends to build in Canada and Mexico for many of their product lines while claiming to be "American" - to say nothing for their terrible build quality and non-understanding of electricity.

[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I was just trying to think of models that are eligible for the maximum $7,500 tax credit, and that are relatively affordable. There are lots of great EVs out there from several different manufacturers.

Edit: I will mention, though, the Equinox EV looks like it's a pretty good car, for the price. Car and Driver rated it 8.5/10.

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Get a used bolt with the 4k tax credit, you can check if the recall was done to replace the battery and if it was you can get a 2018 or 2019 bolt with a new battery which includes a new warranty for like 10k.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

1000% agree GM is always a no buy.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

My Chevy Volt is great and was one of the best reviewed hybrids. Still untouched on battery range, I think. And GM's battery management system is top notch. Heater in my volt is shit unless I'm running ICE, though.

Wouldn't buy a GMC, but Chevy has never really done me wrong. Cadillac seems overpriced for a rebadged Chevy.

Ford's got good stuff but I've never really owned one since the Escort. Guess I might if they ever transition me from contractor to full employee.

Chrysler.... has a van. Guess it's been fine but I'll personally never get another one.

Probably never buy a Japanese car unless those plants are staffed by UAW. I hear they are good but I've never been in one that seemed any better than an American car.

I would never, ever buy a fucking Hyundai. I've been in two and they were the most cheap pieces of garbage I've ever seen. But I guess they were cheap pieces of garbage. They might've gotten better since I was only in the first couple of model years.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn't buy a GMC but Chevy is ok? The money goes in the same pocket buddy, they're the same cars with different badges!

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't think there were rebadges of the Volt or Bolt. Don't recall one of the Cavalier. None of the Sonic. I honestly didn't know until I just looked it up that they rebadged the Equinox to the Terrain, else I'd have said the stuff they felt was worth rebadging was just not great stuff. I won't say the Equinox was a blast to drive, but that thing was a workhorse that got the job done for about 12 years.

The old Blazer and Jimmy I wasn't a fan of.

But these days, their line of SUVs is pretty good and those all get rebadges, but my opinion of GMC has been settled for about 20 years.

Next new car I'm eyeing is the EV Equinox. Needs a better heater than the Volt, though.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"My opinion of GMC has been settled for about 20 years."

All GMC vehicles are just Chevrolet models with a GMC badge! It's been like that since the 70s, and even then the only difference was that they still had exclusive engines, the rest was the same except for esthetics. Since the 1920s Chevrolet and GM have been using the same platforms.

Not all Chevrolet models get rebadged, but all GMC models have their Chevrolet equivalent. If you hate GMC your need to hate Chevrolet. They're. The. Same. Cars!

[–] HappyStarDiaz@real.lemmy.fan 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Give me a 1993 escort manual wagon again right meow pls

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

The fuck? I drove a mid-80's Escort wagon. I raced against my friend's Chevette once. Pedal to the metal and we still haven't made it past 40mph.

[–] willsenior@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That truck Scout is planning looks really good for anyone in the pickup market.

[–] capital@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I love the way those look

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 4 points 3 days ago

My wife got the ID.4 it's legitimately the nicest car either of us have ever owned.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

After driving several Chevy vehicles over the years, I'd never buy one myself. Would definitely not trust them to make a good EV.

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Their volt program was excellent. Gen 1 volts are tanks. I have a gen 1, and gen2. The gen2 has 1 big issues with a free recall to cover it. Still a great car.

Bolt is good too so far. I got one with a replaced battery from the recall.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Well that's good. I still don't trust Chevy's build quality since every one I've driven in the last couple decades had problems bad enough for recalls. Also the interior trim of everything just feels cheap to me. We went with a Japanese PHEV instead

[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 2 points 3 days ago

I feel like these companies have the real nerds who know what they’re doing working on the EVs. I have nothing to back that up with though.

[–] peetabix@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are Teslas cheaper than the others?

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago

No, but they are the only vehicle members of the Church of the Crypto Musk are allowed to buy.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago

Don't discount the other autos lobbyists. Some have invested heavily in new factories being built and have many more workers in the US combined. Not to mention they can keep selling gas guzzlers till we burn the planet.

[–] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

The VW ID4 is currently under a stop sale because it keeps catching on fire

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 0 points 3 days ago

That quote by Trump's newest Oversight Member PROVES that there's NOTHING Swampy going on in Trump's Government!

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 80 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Musk LOVED that tax credit until he used it all up, now wants to deny other automakers the subsidy that saved his ass again and again.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The current structure of the credit doesn't get used up like that anymore. Tesla vehicles are still eligible. Musk thinks removing it would hurt competitors more than him.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yes, because the government exists to openly help billionaires eliminate their competition.

Unreal. Dude isn't even in office yet. They can't even wait 2 months before going full fascist.

But Democrats will make sure the transition to our new dictatorship is peaceful, so nothing to worry about there!

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

In a world where everyone else in an NPC, everything lines up to prevent me from getting the nice thing I want within a short time of saving, yet again.

Y'all I don't think this is the good place, and it sure ain't earth

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This is up to congress (who have GOP members who like either UAW or auto company profits/sustainability), but would be a big mistake. US transition to EV is already slow, but models with lower sticker prices than inferior ICE vehicles, and legitimate competition to Tesla, are being released, in addition to much lower operating costs, and future revenue potential from V2G (or robotaxi). There will be no more investment in new ICE vehicle performance or capacity, even in US.

There have been significant IRA related announcements around EV production in US mostly from colonies. Part of the attractiveness for US/NA production is this tax credit. If the US is trying to kill EV market both by eliminating this tax credit, and not investing in charging infrastructure, then the US becomes a shithole country for investment and very high cost production.

This is one of many job destroying, and deficit/debt balooning, measures that are intended, and will significantly impair/collapse US economy such that mid terms GOP will be voted out. The biggest collapsing intent is a war on Iran, which risks high spike in oil prices, that are ironically good for EVs, but they will need to be imported if US investment is discouraged.

Geopolitical headwinds with colonies are global warming, Israel supremacy, and colonial brainwashing to pay more for war on Russia with ambition of cutting off colonial imports from Russia, and increase tributes to US. Biden/Blinken were masterful at pretending to be pro-human, while achieving the above destruction. Geopolitical alliances with US are likely to be much weaker under Trump, though Trump humanizing media promises that every disrespectful order he gives every country will be executed with enthusiasm.

That said, a carbon tax (with dividend paid to residents) is much better than an EV credit. Emissions are based on miles driven. Many alternatives to an EV purchase are available to reduce that number.

[–] ynazuma@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I cannot believe you’re getting upvoted.

Half of your tirade makes no sense…

“Geopolitical headwinds with colonies are global warming…”

Did a worm eat your brain? Everything all right buddy?

You should lay off the drugs for a while

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 days ago

“Geopolitical headwinds with colonies are global warming…”

The colonies, who do not produce oil, care more about global warming than the US/Trump does. That means, this is one of many issues the colonies will push back against their hegemon/master. Trump's style in demanding greater subservience from colonies will certainly have media demanding more backbone from them, and perhaps loosen their subservience as a result.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's profit margin

7.5k on a 30k EV is huge, and would lead to lots of sales.

No one stupid enough to pay 110k for a cyber shit will car about a 7.5k tax credit.

So Tesla might take a little hit, but it's a huge disadvantage for affordable EVs

[–] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Tesla could have pursued an affordable model, but instead Elon pushed the robotaxi, and Elon said there was no need for an affordable Tesla model. If we assume that he actually expects to release the robotaxi at some point, and that he actually thinks it's important for anything other than trying to pump up stock, then it certainly looks like his plans are more focused on fleet sales than trying to sell to consumers. Making cars less affordable across the board (and slashing any funding for public transportation) only helps that business model.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Lots of people will never buy a Tesla, but when you order an Uber and that shitshow appears, you can only cancel so many times before the app gets mad at you for it.

Human drivers was always a temporary thing for those apps, they'll keep squeezing human drivers so they don't have to pay maintenance on vehicles, but the second Muskmobiles becomes popular, there goes the closest thing to a job that's been keeping a lot of people afloat.

There's going to be a real negative effect when those disappear, even tho they're barely jobs to begin with.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think I saw a snippet from his biography where Franz (head designer) convinced Elon to make the car so it could also have a steering wheel so as to not get fucked if fsd doesn't work out.

Supposedly took a lot of effort to convince him.

Guess that didn't pan out in the end. Nothing about that car is designed for non robotaxi use.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well no shit he's going to kill the tax credit. What did Musk think he was going to do? He'll probably kill off the space program too.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Musk wants him to eliminate the tax credit because he believes it will hurt his competition more than him.

They're not even trying to hide it. No need.