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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 31 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

They cannot and they will not. Please do not fall for them yanking the football away from you again. AOC and Bernie exist to give you hope and thereby capture your vote for a party that has no intention of ever fighting for the working class in a meaningful way. We need a real alternative but we've given away so much of our collective power (unions) that it's hard to see a hopeful path forward. Organize with your neighbors and start building trusted communities that will fight together when needed.

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[–] BMTea@lemmy.world 17 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (19 children)

So long as the Democratic Party leadership are reliant on corporate funding, obsessed with American power projection, smitten with Israel, pensive about worker rights and in lock-step with security and intelligence establishment, there is no hope. You will have on one hand a conservative party that shows antipathy and disdain for real liberal norms (Democratic establishment) and a rabid, evil party intent on reshaping America and the world to reflect white Christian nationalist fanaticism (Republicans.)

10 years ago I would have told you that the Dems are playing a dangerous game with their interventionism. Today they consigned 1 million children to starve, be blown to smithereens and die in order to enable the revenge of a leader who is as corrupt as Trump and far more bloodthirsty. Kamala calls Trump a "fascist" and gives Netanyahu a UN veto and 2000lb bounds to drop near hospitals. This is indiciative of a party that is morally rotten and cannot be relied upon to safeguard anyone's rights.

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 113 points 18 hours ago (15 children)

Kamala raised over $1 billion dollars for her campaign, most of which was from small donors.

If that doesn't tell the Dems they don't need oligarch money, nothing will.

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 29 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Then they spent it on high per hour political consultants who paid Beyonce to perform

Except Beyonce literally didn't perform for Harris?

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[–] Ismay@programming.dev 57 points 18 hours ago

They know that. Problem is the WANT billionaires money too ^^

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[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The democratic party per se isn't the problem.

First past the post democracies always result in what we have now. The democratic party will completely disappear under proportional representation. In it's place you will see a proliferation of the power that is being grimly clasped by the corporate kleptocracy and their minions. Instead of 1% deciding how we manage our society, everyone gets a say.

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[–] Brodysseus@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

They have 4 years to tighten up. I'm not optimistic. The only victory they have had since Obama was a fear victory.. nobody wanted Biden they were scared of trump. That is played out.

The right did a good job of parading him around as an anti-establishment, for the common people candidate. I don't think that's true, but a lot of people do.

I hope the D party reorganizes as a populist anti-establishment party and holds a ranked choice primary with some young actually left leaning candidates who can't be bought.

To be honest, if the D party don't reform and earn my vote, I'm not giving it to them out of fear anymore. Before trump I had a "no lesser of two evils" policy for voting. And I'm going back to it. They had 4 years to plan, hold a primary, do some prosecuting of rich criminals, understand why Trump's popular and strategize to beat it, literally fucking anything. Did they?

I'm over it, they can run a fair primary with some progressive candidates and let the people decide, and then I'll vote. Tired of whatever they're doing and it looks like a lot of others are as well. Hope they figure out the obvious issue they have and fix it. Since its a two party system they're hogging the only route that the left has to success and fucking it up remarkably bad. Like I could do a better job and I'm an idiot.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 55 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Like that'll ever happen.

The party is held by a group of political elites who are all about the establishment and power.

There needs to be a new party, a labor party, to represent the working class Americans.

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[–] Gork@lemm.ee 50 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

I instead see them not learning a damn thing and putting up Nancy Pelosi as the Presidential candidate for 2028.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 30 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Will she achieve lichdom in time?

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 38 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I've said this before, but I think it needs to be repeated:

The populist, anti-elitist lane on the left is wide open. I don't know that a mainstream "Democratic" party can take that lane, and I don't know if we should bother trying to drag them there. However, what I can say is that there is going to be some significant hay to make in that field.

I think Pramila Jayapal, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Delia Ramirez, Jamaal Bowman, Summer Lee, Cori Bush, Katie Porter, anyone who has been rat-fucked by Democrats should all abandon their identification with the Democratic party and become independents. And in the time that he has left, at their lead, should be Bernie Sanders, who never needed to be told about the consequences of running with milquetoast policies.

Even if they caucus with Democrats, true progressives need to show them that their votes aren't a given, and if they want them, they need to take a step towards their legislative priorities. Giving up our votes without leverage, giving in to the Washington groupthink: THIS LOSES ELECTIONS!

We shouldn't focus on redeeming the Democratic party. Let them sink. Focus on getting good quality, reliable progressive populists elected. The Democratic party is a fucking anchor and we're better off without it. Let those unwilling to let go of that Washington groupthink sink with it.

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They will be the establishment no matter what they do lmfao. Can't claim to not be unless they choose to go the Republican route of lying their asses off

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