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This happened in Toronto on October 24th

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[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Why isn't there a manual mechanism for the door? Why didn't the passengers use an emergency glass hammer? Why isn't there an emergency release for the door?

[–] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I'd expect that the passengers may not have known about the emergency releases. It's also possible the releases failed, but all of them?

It's discussed elsewhere in this thread too, where they also provided the Model Y's manual

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

When my friend was riding in a tesla they just assumed the emergency latch was the proper way to open the door and pulled that one instead, didn't even see the button.

Edit: also note, some model Ys don't have that rear emergency one. Guess you could climb out of the car using the trunk latch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6PbRBbIGnv4

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 10 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

It would be crazy sci-fi villian if Musk had mobile access to everyone's Tesla and he is just killing off customers he doesn't like by doing shit like refusing to unlock the doors.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

I mean if there's electronics that control the speed and steering he could just force people to drive straight into a wall at full speed

[–] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

As if this is hard to believe....

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Explain to me how the engineers aren't guilty of manslaughter?

Look, I lasted one semester at engineering school, washed all the way out almost immediately. I still had to write a 10-page case study on an engineering failure, and the one I chose was the McDonnell-Douglas DC-10 cargo door failures. They teach this shit in failing community colleges in purple states. The buck stops with the PE that signed the plans. Drag his ass into criminal court. The person who allowed this design to go to production does not need to be free.

[–] oyo@lemm.ee 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

There are no PEs signing off on "consumer products," or even little things like airplanes.

(Seriously, PEs are only relevant in engineering fields where design is easily governed by standards, such as HVAC and civil.)

There are absolutely engineers (with or without PE licenses, I'm not sure if that's necessary in aerospace) signing off on airplanes, even after they're built. For a mechanic to make a major modification or repair to an airframe or power plant it needs to be approved somehow, either covered by the airplane's original Type Certificate and detailed in the maintenance manual, covered in a supplemental type certificate (STC), or they can work with an aeronautical engineer to design and approve the repair. I have forgotten the exact line between "you can get an A&P IA to approve this skin patch plate" and "You need to either call an AE to design a repair for this but it might be cheaper to buy a whole wing."

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 15 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

The people who design the Tesla cars are not engineers. They're a bunch of tech geeks who think they're engineers.

I mean, ask yourself this why is. Every single automobile that exists today with the exception of the Tesla can handle rain and car washes with absolutely no issues and yet Teslas have to have a special button to close off certain parts of the car so that the air intake doesn't get too wet otherwise the car ends up stinking horribly of mildew.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 10 points 19 hours ago

The people who design the Tesla cars are not engineers. They're a bunch of tech geeks who think they're engineers.

There is still someone's signature.

If needed, liquidate company.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 23 points 1 day ago

They won't because this would require a trial where rich people wouldn't benefit, which is a waste of government resources, which goes against the Department of Government Efficiency's goals. More efficient to throw these poor souls' families under the bus.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Where's the Safety FMEA! Show me the FMEA!

Risk 3452.7: feature, door. Function, opens during fire, failure mode: won't open during fire, trapping people inside. Cause: the darn things are electronic! So if the battery fails in a big ass fire with people inside, those fuckers are gonna cook real good! Engineering controls in place to prevent the failure mode: 200,000 units delivered in time! As in it took time to deliver the units. Risk rank: 😉 it's Frank! 😄 My name's Frank! Not rank!

Well I'm glad we took time to mitigate these risks.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

Further investigation shows that three of the four had recently posted mean things about Elon Musk on Xitter. A representative from the company issued the following statement. "It is unfortunate that the fourth passenger, who was seemingly innocent of blasphemy, chose to associate with the guilty parties. Sometimes collateral damage has to occur in our attempt to cleanse the population."

[–] DepthCharge@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Always have an emergency hammer in your car to break a window

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I have a Civic with a manual door handle, but after reading your comment ... I think I'm going to get one to leave in the car just in case.

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

Should your car ever wind up submerged in water a hammer could come in handy. Make sure it's a "break glass" type hammer, which has a point. Thick tempered glass is surprisingly strong.

The spring-loaded kind are a lot easier to use in a cramped car and by people with less upper body strength. However, those won't work on newer cars with dual-pane or laminated glass

[–] eyes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I've seen people say that emergency window hammers don't work with Tesla windows as they're laminated in current models.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Would that work in a car that purports to have bulletproof windows?

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 5 points 21 hours ago

Only the tesla truck claims to be bullet proof. This happened in a model y and the 5th person in the car narrowly survived because a bystander smashed the window.

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[–] raoul@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 1 day ago (18 children)

The Elon Musk-owned automaker has a troubling history of owners getting locked in their cars without power. Some of these cases may be down to user error, since most Teslas come with manual release levers.

Of course, let's blame the users 🙄

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Now, now, remember correlation is not causation. Maybe it's not the unintuitive design; maybe a disproportionate number of idiots buy Teslas?

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

most Teslas come with manual release levers.

MOST?

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Yea the cheapest ones skipped the manual release for the back doors. Gotta deliver maximum value to shareholders!

[–] Sporkbomber@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In the case of the model Y referenced, this release is under a mat. You wouldn't see it in normal operation.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In case of emergency, lift the floor mat and input the 16 digit release code.

[–] yonder@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

The 16 digit code can be found in the "My Data" section on x.com, assuming your account has been linked to your vehicle.

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[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 56 points 1 day ago (18 children)

"seemingly"

Ye, it seemed like it so we just decided we'd rather burn alive than to actually try opening the door.

News titles sometimes

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 93 points 1 day ago (14 children)

I heard Teslas are supposed to have manual release latches inside.

In any case, doors should always be manual anyway. This isn't the first time this happened and I'm surprised there isn't a regulation for this yet.

[–] Sporkbomber@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The ones in the rear are hidden under a mat in the door.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-AAD769C7-88A3-4695-987E-0E00025F64E0.html

The model X requires you to remove the speaker grill to manually open the door.

You know, nice and intuitive.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If we investigated car accidents like we did plane accidents we’d probably have banned them by now.

[–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

Investigators arrive on scene. Immediately notice how the infrastructure was designed for gridlock rush hour where nothing is moving. Are appalled that the only safety training the motorists received was completed 20 years ago and never refreshed. Dismayed that these circumstances are permitted in densely populated areas.

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