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How Self-Driving Cars will Destroy Cities (and what to do about it) - Not Just Bikes (www.youtube.com)

submitted 7 months ago by Rentlar@lemmy.ca to c/fuckcars@lemmy.ca

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

This video arrives well in the context of Ontario's Premier Ford pushing stupid ideas like removing bike lanes would improve traffic. Autonomous roads are car and car-subscription selling policy, not a safety policy. In the US, considering some billionaire auto industry technocrat is likely to get a high position in the upcoming government, hold onto your butts for more insanity along these lines. It's up to communities to defend and improve infrastructure in their cities.

[–] yonder@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago

Or maybe Ontarians should see the terrible choices Doug has made and elect a better premiere, but that seems liketoo much to ask for given how he's already been reelected once.

[+] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world -6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Autonomous vehicles - very much unlike the Tesla snake oil - are not geared towards ownership, and would actually reduce road usage while increasing safety.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

I thought so too originally, but the linked video shows a few reasons why it wouldn't. Autonomous cars have the same space inefficiency per passenger (in some cases worse) as driven cars. They still need a place to charge, but that can't be only in non-congested areas because people wouldn't want to stand around waiting 12 minutes for their pickup. If they don't use parking they'd spend their day roaming around, causing traffic like 24/7 taxi drivers waiting for an order except taking up road space.

And watch with Elon Musk in government and schedule F employees, safety will be the nth priority behind profits for Tesla.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

As the video points out, what you're describing is very similar to what was said about Uber & Lyft. At first glance, a cheaper, more available taxi service seems like it should reduce road usage. However, that assumes car trips are replaced by rideshare trips. In actuality, when Uber & Lyft have entered a market, it has resulted in increased road usage. This is because of induced demand, and if rideshares are replacing another form of transportation, it's usually public transit, walking, or biking, not driving.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

In that case, it shouldn't increase demand since Uber and Lyft already exist.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Taxis existed before Uber and Lyft. What's being touted is that AVs will be cheaper and more available than ridesharing, the same way ridingsharing was to taxis.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago

No, the difference was that you could summon an Uber from an app, and it would actually show up.

[–] yonder@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Please watch the video as it provides reasons as to why autonomous cars will reduce safety and increase road usage. I could however see autonomous vehicules being useful for long-haul cargo transport, though trains might be a better choice.