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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot...I call BS on Wolfson's reasoning. The bastard is most likely a neo-Nazi shitbag and knew exactly what he wants out Putin's Sock Puppet.

[–] flango@lemmy.eco.br 10 points 4 hours ago

Well, Hitler and the nazis were inspired by the USA...

Reference: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691172422/hitlers-american-model

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

infinite_facepalming_picard.jpeg

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago

Jackass and proud of it

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 63 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

In times past, I was fascinated by Hitler and WW2. It was a lifelong obsession that I had since childhood. But ever since the Trump era started it started to wane due to the fact that WW2 and Hitler just didn't seem so distant anymore... the world felt like a repeat of what was happening in those days and looking up facts felt, in part, like learning more to understand what is happening now instead of about history.

But if there is something that I need to point out is that Hitler was a SHIT leader. Germans and Germany ever since the Kaiser era were portrayed as hyperefficient and militaristic, and people then claim the Nazis were the same. They weren't. Nazi bureaucracy was bullshit and most of their economic growth was based on plunder (initially from German Jews and other marginalized groups and later from other countries) and almost purely military build up. Germany actually lagged behind in technological build-up to most countries, despite the stereotypes of the Wunderwaffen of WW2 (Fritz-X bomb, the ME-262, etc), and industrially as any technology that didn't have a direct military benefit was discarded. They didn't even have any proper anti-biotics during the war!

Even agriculture was fucked by the Germans. Despite the romanticization of the German peasantry and the countryside by the Nazis, they could not sustain their population at all. Most German food was imported, and they were preparing their population for harsh wartime rationing even before the war started. They fed their population almost entirely on stolen food from Poland, France, the Netherlands, and Ukraine. Also by killing a lot of people in the death camps they saved on food that way as well.

People stereotype communist countries as having no food when they don't realize that fascist nations just can't feed their own folk. Nazi Germany wasn't alone in having serious food problems. Imperial Japan couldn't feed its own population and would have had widespread hunger if they didn't start plundering China during the war.

Hitler lead Germans and Germany into death and destruction and misery and mayhem. He did nothing good for Germany. None at all. Even towards the end of the war he would have been OK with the German people being genocided since if they were defeated by the barbarian orc-like Soviets and the mongrel Americans they were not the master race he thought they were and they deserved to die. There is a reason why he is remembered as one of the world's greatest monsters.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Yup. I have a similar argument before. If one reads more about Hitler and the Nazis, they are actually not different to any of the standard third world dictators like Idi Amin and Muammar Gaddafi. The difference is that the Nazis were only more powerful because they inherited a working institution-- especially the Prussian-based military-- while third world countries had to start from scratch after decolonisation.

The Nazis like other dictators are very inefficient. I am reading Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil". The book goes through the convoluted bureaucracy and logistics of the Holocaust. Different pen pushers and administrators arguing who should be able to use the trains for their own departmental needs. What struck me the most is that the Nazis wasted so much effort transporting so-called undesirables to concentration camps, when their own soldiers are struggling to get supplies and reinforcements to the frontlines!

More importantly, as you correctly mentioned, Nazi Germany struggled to feed their own people. As a matter of fact, there is strong evidence that Hitler started the war in Europe to stave off the looming economic crisis, which his own economic minister warned him of, thanks to endless government spending particularly with the re-armement. That economic crisis had been warded (temporarily of course) by plundering the resources of their conquered territories.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

There were over 40 assassination attempts on the shit stain Hitler and all of them were domestic. The Allies fully understood who was responsible for Germany's strategic and tactical failures and they wanted the turd alive until the end. Cadet Bone Spurs will do the same thing to the US military.

[–] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I see where you're coming from. Perhaps not as obsessed, but I always had a historical interest in the era until it became an alarming parallel to present day news. Most people do not know much about what went down in the pre-war period. They just have knee-jerk reactions to it. "Traditional values" were trending at the time, Nazism was marketed as the modern, cool choice. Education, administration and even scouting and chess clubs were Nazified at the time. I see it with the freaking MAGA hat everywhere nowadays. I just see it and say, fuck this is some Nazi Germany shit. To me now there are two kinds of people, those who see it, and those who don't. People are so precious thinking that Germans went nuts with the mass murder shit and elected this guy, but themselves have been on the exact same track as Nazi Germany for years: idolizing a dangerous man without ever questioning him. Soon they will have no excuse either, only collective guilt. Some of us won't be here to see it though, for one reason or another. I have pointed this out in my other comment: once fascists get hold of the state apparatus, there is no horror we can put past them.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

It seems like people as a whole are very generational. Meaning that there's a generation that struggles, one that succeeds, and one that takes it for granted and fails.

Then the cycle repeats.

Im not talking about strictly boomers to x to z, but in a broad sense.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 21 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

He did nothing good for Germany.

He did kill Hitler tho.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Then he also killed the dude that killed Hitler

igual igual

[–] Blewog@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 hours ago
[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 40 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone keeps looking for answers to why trump won. I keep coming back to media directed stupidity

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 20 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

And social media feeds.

How much you wanna bet this guy scrolls facebook a ton? Or listens to railing radio/podcasts on drives? This opinion didn't spawn from a vacuum.

They should be following up and asking him where he got those ideas.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, media, social or mass, has guided the people incapable of sound reasoning exactly where they wanted them.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 59 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Ya know.... if I thought someone was literally Hitler, the last thing I'm gonna fucking do is help them literally have control of... everything.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Unless you want to bring about the end of the world. Seriously, that's how at least some of these people think. They want to throw a monkey wrench in the works, because they think they'll be the ones to survive the apocalypse.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

I want the end of the world too, but it's because I don't wanna survive the apocalypse, we are not the same.

Haha... I'm depressed.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

But what if the country needed a change in leadership after recently being fucked up by this hitler guy, eh?

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I mean we will pull out of Ukraine, with Ukraine in ruins and taking it over. Emboldening Russia to conquer more territories.

[–] el_abuelo@programming.dev 5 points 4 hours ago

That's okay, Europe has your back while you look inwards yet again.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 6 points 8 hours ago

I read on the news that Poutin threatened to invade 4 more countries. This is how ww2 got started. They just kept appeasing Hitler until they realized just far he would go. Also with every takeover the Germany military machine got a lot stronger. The take over of Czechoslovakia meant he took over all their military arsenal which was enough to arm several divisions.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Can't we convince MAGA that trump has been replaced by the deep state or something that makes them fight for a good cause for once?

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 20 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

No, because Dems are stuck on a high horse and burned 1 billion campaigning like its the 1950s. Fff, they could have won the election spending a tenth of that on bots and paying off influencers.

We absolutely need money for a shameless 'oppositional' propaganda apparatus.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the RNC was more "with the times" than the DNC on how to campaign in the current media-circus climate. That's right, they were more progressive when it came to using information technology. This observation burns like the heat of a thousand suns and I hate it, but there it is.

Granted, thanks to the likes of FoxNews and bloviating try-hards on radio and podcasts, they had the inside track here. Still, a billion USD should have leveled the playing field for a short campaign like Harris'.

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This is the average American voter lol. Trump was like the hack that made all their crazy go GOP. Usually there is enough crazy people for both sides

[–] bmdhacks@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Totally. Matt Yglesias calls this the "crank realignment."

https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-crank-realignment-is-bad-for

[–] vordalack@lemm.ee 62 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

“I voted for the guy that I think is like Hitler to end conflicts and keep us out of wars.”

Did he not read the part where Hitler genocided Jews, Europeans, and the disabled?

Did he not read the part in history where Hitler caused a war so large that it wiped out entire European families, literally tens of millions of Europeans?

The white working class in this country is going to get everything they voted for. I hope Trump floods their neighborhoods with immigrants, LEGALLY.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Did he not read the part where Hitler genocided Jews, Europeans, and the disabled?

That's the thing though — Hitler didn't run on a platform of genociding people, he ran on a platform of economic improvement. Weimar Germany was economically depressed and many average people and families were suffering from unemployment and financial hardship while the rich were relatively unaffected and enjoying themselves. Hitler promised to change that (and in all fairness, he did). The genociding Jews part came much later.

Hitler was in charge of Germany for 11 years (1934-1945) — the war didn't start until 1938, and the holocaust only began in 1942, so the voters DID end up getting at least 4 years of relative peace and prosperity. Also, keep in mind that Hitler was 45 years old when he became chancellor, meanwhile Trump is 78, meaning even if he manages to finish his second tenure successfully, he'll very likely simply be too old by the end of it in order to continue, which makes it somewhat unlikely that he'll attempt to stage another coup in order to remain dictator for life.

[–] weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Though he could put Vance or another one of his cronies on that platform.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago

Possible, but Vance doesn't exactly strike me as Hitler 2.0. I watched his Joe Rogan interview and he came off as a pretty reasonable guy.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago
[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

The thing to keep in mind about idiocy is that idiots make mistakes, a lot. At the same time, those mistakes are usually small-stakes affairs (it's hard to make big mistakes with no money and/or resources) and are usually recoverable. The idea that their mistake could affect so many others simply does not happen, because that's not how things typically work.

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