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Project 2025 chief’s book urges ‘burning’ of FBI, New York Times and Boy Scouts
(www.theguardian.com)
Laying the ground work for a really quiet coup ay
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Why the fuck would you get rid of boy scouts it's literally a patriotic paramilitary (kinda) organization with a checkered past on sexual abuse that should be a Republican wet dream lol
They renamed themselves the Scouts and let in girls. Maybe that's why? These people are insane and evil, so honestly it doesn't matter why.
which was done to keep the organization afloat revenue wise and weirdos on the internet tried to call it woke in a bizarre case of friendly fire
but then they got woke
They’ve done a lot to prevent child abuse recently. That upsets republicans.
We were close to holding right wing extremists accountable. We needed one more term at least. It was clear how suddenly Republicans try to denounce the FBI as a liberal institution after Wray said that white supremacists were the #1 domestic terrorist threat.
Now, we're fucked.
We were close to holding right wing extremists accountable.
"We" had four goddamn years and did absolutely fuck-all with it! Frankly, in retrospect, the fix was in when Biden appointed Merrick Garland instead of somebody who would actually care about the rule of law and do his goddamn job.
I know this isn't popular, but because I've literally never seen a substantive counter-argument for this, I have to say that I think Merrick Garland did all that he could given the stacked courts surrounding him. Nobody could've done better. He was clearly building a case from the bottom up that is a classic example of RICO prosecution style, hence the largest criminal investigation in the FBI's history when going after those who committed January 6th. That was always going to lead to Trump. People, however are dreaming and romanticizing this belief that we could've "got" Trump within one year's time and that was never possible.
The only thing that matters is that many Americans knew what Trump was, and a large swath opted to sit out and go, "Both sides!"
We couldn't even convince the proverbial jury that was the American people of crimes in plain sight when they gave a verdict on November 5th.
For perspective, Hitler was arrested, tried, imprisoned, wrote Mein Kampf, and already released by when this much time had passed after the Beer Hall Putsch. I don't really give a fuck what the excuses are; the fact that it was delayed this fucking long is absolutely wrong and, if not an indictment of Garland himself directly, then an indictment of the whole system of which he was the fucking head! Either way, Garland was incompetent at best and absolutely deserves all the blame he gets, and more.
Unfortunately Hitler's Putsch was far more clear cut and our court systems already largely ruined by the time Garland assumed his office in 2021. Hitler never had the power to corrupt the courts preceding his failed coup. I also don't know if we can compare 1:1 our criminal justice system to 1920s Germany.
I would disagree, I have only my own perception to go off of but from my observations:
There were 3 or 4 prosecutors chomping at the bit to go after Trump but Garland held them back.
It wasn't until they found out about the missing documents that things changed. Even then Garland just wanted the documents returned, if Trump had complied that would have been the end of it.
It wasn't until Trump refused to return specific documents that we knew he had - that crossed a red line for Garland.
Once you let one prosecutor go after Trump, what's the excuse for holding back the others? So the flood gate was open, but only when every attempt was made to let Trump get away with it all.
This is just a continuation of the wants of the Koch brothers libertarian party agenda from 1979/80.
But, yes, we are fucked.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/08/30/covert-operations
https://lpedia.org/wiki/Document:National_Platform_1980
I know very little about the Chevron doctrine but I know that the overturning of that made it possible for corporations to essentially ignore any administrative oversight.
I often wondered what would happen if someone were to take the frequencies of the military or even airport flight control and just started broadcasting. Does the FCC have delegated authority? If they don't, sounds like anyone can broadcast Rick Astley on any frequency.
The problem that these justices and elites seem to forget is that they are trusting on the very systems they dismantling working for them.
I do expect that our future includes a lot of stupid plane crashes because of lax regulation
It is not just a continuation of this. Maybe some of the economic things in P2025 come from there, but I don't think the Koch's were ever trying to ban pornography and track women's menstrual cycles.
My personal reaction to reading this is that I want to pick up the book just to better understand what he believes these conservatives values are. Then I realized this is like trying to understand why Hitler wanted to gas the Jews.
What's more important is why the fuck Americans are democratically voting for this. I'm going to venture to guess (and hope) that the majority of people who voted for Trump have no clue what they voted for. I'd like to hope that teachers are going to use this moment in time to perfectly frame it along with the rise of Nazi Germany but I know that Trump also intends on burning down the DoE. Teachers will be prevented from using history to educate students.
Incidentally, I'm already exhausted by all the "news" being made about why the Dems lost and Trump prevailed. We have to be discussing why our media and our existing elected officials are all ignoring the plight of middle class Americans while failing, as they have always done, to educate people.
I remember as a kid hearing presidential debates and getting aggravated that the politicians weren't answering questions. And then in interviews and news reports a topic will be discussed but the contexts and ramifications of that topic are often left out (time constraints, etc). Quick example; why Biden sent arms to Israel has as much, if not more, to do with Iran as it does Gaza. WHY is never explained in political discourse and the media never pressures or holds officials accountable. I am terrified of what Trump will do to our already squeamish journalism community.
I still blame the media for Trump's 2016 win and I'm blaming them again today. People are clueless. Not to say they're unintelligent, they are uneducated regarding politics and history.
People are all in their own bubbles living their day to day lives and occasionally see headlines on their mobile apps. They're subtly influenced, sometimes by the news media but I'd venture to guess equality often by the efforts of Russian, Iranian, and Chinese disinformation armies.
Moreover, this far from a new issue. I was just reading and commented on a story about Musk being the most powerful unelected citizen in America. This reminded me a bit of the guy Citizen Cane was based off of. William Randolph Hearst owned a sprawling media company and used his influence to publish articles that were favorable to Nazis.
How are we not only allowing this but voting in favor of it?
Something is broken. It's not the political parties. It's evidently not the electoral college. Schools have always taught about WWII so it's not our education system. It could be the two party first-past-the post voting system. It could be how election campaigns are financed.
I think we're distracted. I think there's too much going on in modern lives. Too many Americans are struggling to get by while also using every moment of free time to disengage. There's basic government and economic policies and norms that people are clueless about. Take drilling for oil: most Americans think that if we drill for more oil our gas prices will go down. That's not at all true. This will only increase profits for the oil companies because, while the US actually produces more oil than any other country, we lack the infrastructure to refine the oil we have. Honestly, I only learned about that this week. Not to mention the whole tariff thing that republicans are clueless about. Above all else, I'm terrified that Trump's presidency is going to bankrupt Americans.
As this article alludes to, Americans should know that the GOP agenda is to dismantle federal agencies and replace them with private corporations. Some agencies and services will go to the states while others will become Wall Street funded corporations. Theoretically, federal taxes should decrease but state and homeowner taxes are going to sky rocket. The costs of goods and services is going to sky rocket while the quality plummets over time. This has been in the playbook since before Reagan got into office. Now they have the momentum, the votes, and the stooge in the White House to make it happen.
Don't be distracted as the stock market goes to the moon. This is their agenda – to make themselves richer on the backs of clueless Americans.
Your point about the debate thing is really what gets me. They ask a question and the person on the other end might be close to the answer or they might give some vague response but the moderators are always gutless about it.
“I asked you this question, answer it or we will assume you have no answer and move on.”
This is the kind of stuff that makes me turn on or at least waiver on the candidates I fully support. These interviewers are asking question on behalf to he public - the people you intend to represent. Answer them!
In an ideal world, dodging questions would lead to decreased popularity. Politicians should feel that if they give bullshit answers, they will not get elected. To get there, we must actually demand, reward, and punish with the power we have, our votes. Of course, one person doing it makes no difference. We need to convince others that this is important.
Shock collars during interviews would be entertaining and help keep people on topic
Great comment, I share many of those concerns.
I guess I'm not so worried that he will bankrupt America per se, but that the US dollar will be diminished in value, and all of the effort, savings and social security that we're all banking on in the future become nearly worthless, while billionaires plunder our country and continue to reap value in spite of the worthlessness.
I'm also concerned Trump is going to die mid-term, and Vance will be running as a better positioned incumbent.
The supreme court, well, that's just a lost cause at this point. I don't see it ever coming back into balance in my lifetime, and perhaps the country goes with it.
I welcome a Vance presidency. What has made Trump Trump is his stubbornness and defiance of "no". He's the kind of guy who comes into a meeting says, this is what we're doing, make it happen or you're fired, and walks out. This is the same playbook people like Jobs and Musk use(d). Vance lacks this gift and I fully expect Trump's supporters to turn on him.
Schools have always taught about WWII so it's not our education system.
It's definitely not not our education system
You can't really point at today's education system and use it to blame Americans.
People who voted for Trump:
65+: 51%
45-64: 52%
30-44: 47%
18-29: 46%
Our public education system has been abysmal compared to other "first world countries" and we should all be embarrassed.
This has been part of the GOP agenda for decades though. The public schools keep getting worse and subtly foster anti-intellectualism in favor or memorization while the private and higher education schools flourish. The GOP wants to abolish the department of education and replace it with either state run education and/or private corporate owned education.
"Education" is not in the constitution so with a conservative Supreme Court, it's very likely we will see the DoE go away. Bear in mind that the DoE was only just created under Carter and Reagan campaigned on getting rid of it.
And, as teachers start getting wind of this and realizing what the future may hold for them, they're going jump ship. Any hope we have of progressing as a country and competing with other countries is gone. This nation will be run by a handful of corporations paying crap wages to non-union workers without the benefit of social security or pensions.
The writing has been on the wall for a hundred years. We've laughed at it, maybe pondered it, but never took it seriously. All the dystopian novels that have been written are about to come true.
He hates the Boy Scouts and BlackRock? But is also super right-wing? Who is this guy?
The boy scouts one is especially baffling. A lot of boys become more traditionally "manly" through boy scouts. It is physically active and they typically learn skills like camping, fire starting, wood working. We were also expected to do good deeds, be polite, and overall be decent members of society that help where is needed, such as litter clean ups and tree plantings. I guess the latter half of my point is where their issues start?
Maybe because they now allow girls to participate. Integration is "woke" and must be destroyed.
They are changing the name to just "Scouts" to reflect this. And is 100% why these assholes have an issue with them now.
On May 7, 2024, BSA announced that the organization will change its name to Scouting America. While the name change will officially go into effect on February 8, 2025, on its 115th anniversary, all are encouraged to use the name immediately.
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I didn't know that part. I thought conservatives hate them because they now allow gay leaders after being sued to pieces over it. Also didn't they crack down on pedophiles in the organization? That is the number one pastime of conservative men.
Lol. They didn't get sued to pieces because their leaders were gay, it was because some of them were pedophiles.
Nobody sued them over gay leaders.
They got sued by parents over not doing anything about pedos, AND got sued by prospective leaders because they were being prevented from joining over their sexual orientation.
Bill wanted to be a scoutmaster since he grew up with scouts, but since he was gay, he was not allowed. He then sued the organization over it. (idk names, that's just for clarity)
I obviously meant that they were sued for NOT allowing gay leaders and I think even scouts themselves. Google it if you care. Conservatives don't like that they changed the policy on gays.
I would bet that this is the correct answer.
If they are the Boy Scouts and allow girls to participate then this looks to be the start of a trans joke.
I think the issue started a little over a decade ago, when the Boy Scouts got in some hot water for discriminating against gay kids and they actually tried to be better.
Both of them are pretty baffling. Because you're right about the Boy Scouts, but also, BlackRock is basically a Republican dream company.
Because he's attacking all institutions that have some sort of control he wants. The wide net just feeds into the deep state narrative and he needs to capitalize on that right now
Kids, healthcare, education, private equity etc.. that's how you make a dictatorship.
See it this way, BlackRock has enough power to do to the republican party what the republican party is doing to the gov. They need all of that gone to become maglomaniac authoritarians.
If I wanted to become Bill Gates, and make my own Microsoft, i first have to outlaw bill gates and Microsoft.
Did you just accidentally almost coin the term "magalomaniac"?
Coined and minted.
I think this is right, but I would add there's a chance this all ends up being for show and BlackRock makes some public show of fealty to the Trumpists that makes them look powerful and gets BlackRock some government contracts down the line. Like, hypocrisy is no barrier for the right wing, they're fully capable of writing a whole novel about (e.g.) how we must destroy Google and then turning around and buying a bunch of shit from them.
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Biden leaves Afghanistan, the Taliban takes over.
Biden leaves the white house, the Taliban takes over.
Too bad critique can do absolutely nothing now. His wishes have already been granted.
Can we keep the boy scouts the rest can go
You know, at least there's some solace in knowing Trump 100% didn't and can't read Project 2025. He's still going to bull-in-the-china-shop his way though this but I don't think he's going to follow the script exactly.
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