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[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago

Europe (EU?) doesn't have any boots by design. For the same reason any member is free to do so on their own.

Any resulting conflict with Russia will not trigger the EU's security pact or NATO's article 5.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Or just stop being so freaking stingy withholding weapons.

What are they waiting for? The UK to declare war on France? NO, they stockpiled all these freaking arms for Soviet aggression or fascist threats, and now its at their doorstep.

I don't understand what good Grippens and Typhoons, tanks, missiles sysstems and such do rusting in storage when they could do exactly what they were built to do, right now.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remember that occasion where a Danish warship found itself in contact with pirates or Houthis or whoever, and it turned out half the weapon systems are not functional or something?

This is what they don't want to show. That any military rusts, so the initial moments of those countries' participating in any war will be full of shame. The first weeks of Russia's invasion are a good example of such. No, EU doesn't mean this won't happen. Yes, defense-related corruption exists everywhere. No, European militaries are not full of supermen somehow magically superior to Russians and Ukrainians.

It's very simple. The moment that happens, some people may find themselves under scrutiny for clear failures in their area of responsibility. So they resist. This is normal.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

NATO does drills and excercises, and I'm sure everything is inspected before its sent. They can just quietly throw away what doesn't work and dodge that bullet.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 19 hours ago

And in functioning democracies this well result in a report known to parliament where it gets exposed. You cannot and should not have the executive do things "quietly" in a democracy. Mostly for better, in rare cases for worse.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago
[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hopefully everyone is holding their breath for another 6-7 days and then we can deliver what's needed without troubling the US election πŸ˜”

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Shouldn't they be in a rush, instead?

They basically have 7 days (or really till January) before NATO could be destabilized and delivering weapons becomes far more complicated.