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[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 92 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

And note that her wording was "at least $15", so she's signaling openness to doing more than that

[–] grue@lemmy.world 67 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Good, because "fight for $15" has been going on so long that the real number to regain parity with what minimum wage used to be is a lot higher than that by now.

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[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 72 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Wait, doubling it -to- 15 dollars an hour? Holy shit, I knew it was bad, but that is insane. Ours is already starting to feel too low at 17.40 here in Canada, granted that is about the equivalent of around $12.50 USD. So it's lower than what she is proposing, maybe if she manages it, we'll be able to get ours up.

[–] Huckledebuck@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, the states have been moving towards 15, but the national minimum wage has been stuck for a few decades. And also yes, 15 is already way too low.

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[–] Khanzarate@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Most states have their own minimum wage laws at this point. Not all of them. So this will help a handful of mostly-red states.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

It varies by province and at the federal level in Canada, 17.40 is for BC specifically, Alberta and Saskatchewan are the lowest at 15, Nunavut is the highest at 19 and it's 17.30 for jobs under federal jurisdiction.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The last place I worked upped their minimum wage to $10 an hour. It certainly wasn't because of benevolence or federal shifts...they slowly realized that when you pay the absolute minimum, you only attract the minimum talent, and most of those positions had very high turnover rates that were costing the company more than it'd be to just raise the starting pay rates.

It was cheaper to pay those positions more money.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately in my state where the minimum wage is higher than the federal, many service industry companies refuse to learn that lesson. Or they think 16 cents above minimum wage is enough to attract top tier talent.

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[–] Yes_Man@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'll believe it when I see it. Seems every candidate has promised this for as long as I've been following American politics and no one actually manages it.

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[–] match@pawb.social 35 points 2 weeks ago

fight for 15 years late

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

Oh.

My minded automatically corrected that as "doubling from 15 to 30". Because that's what it needs to be, at least.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can get a two dollar raise...

Well it's better than the FUCKING CONCENTRATION CAMP I'd get from the other guy

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah except the concentration camps come with free room and board.*

*Charges for the room and board will be deducted from your earnings as a slave.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Name a more iconic duo than politicians and making promises that rely on the cooperation of other branches of government.

[–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not voting in enough Democrats into Congress to do anything and saying the Democrats didn’t actually want to do anything

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[–] Wiz@midwest.social 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Good!

Now also link it to yearly inflation annually in December!

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The number needs to be set to a good value, but this is the most frustrating aspect of this whole song and dance, because there shouldn't even be a question about whether it should track inflation. Just setting another flat value so we can watch it atrophy away is maddening. The whole concept is directly related to the cost of goods, and the people needing this wage are the most impacted by price changes. And since it's supposed to be a floor, you know minimum wage employers aren't going to voluntarily raise wages to track inflation. They'd be paying even less if they were allowed.

Even if the businesses-first majority of politicians try to low-ball the target, there's no legitimate argument for not making it auto-update. Businesses just like to reap the extra exploitation between updates.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If the house and Senate approve. She can't just do it on her own

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 14 points 2 weeks ago

That's great!

Certain burger-flipping former presidents have legal fees to pay and this goes a LONG way to making due.

[–] Talisker@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

I believe all promises that are made within the last 30 days of an election!

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This was literally her supposed signature issue when she was running with Biden.

She didn’t fight for it at all.

[–] abracaDavid@lemmy.today 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Whaaaaat??

A politician making a bunch of claims right before an election and then never following through on them?

Say it ain't so! Not in my America!

Yeah it's lying season. Both sides are telling us what they think we want to hear.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Heard this before. Democrats will encounter one tiny setback and give up until the next election cycle.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago

Surely we'll get it this time.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I doubt many people make anywhere close to minimum, but no excuse not to raise it!

5-years ago? Yep, we had tons of clients paying rock bottom, or close enough. I'm not in the payroll business anymore, but the jobs my wife was looking at as a preschool teacher were $12+, and that job always pays shit. Walmart and Target start at $15, or more.

All this is a small town where you would expect small wages. I was in Manhattan in 1992 and was astounded at the prices. Ask my native friend how people survived on minimum wage. He looked at me funny and laughed, "Dude. No one gets minimum wage. $10 is as low as it goes."

Good news on one of those shit paying clients! They were really hurting and the new CEO turned everything around in a couple of years. At that time, they started paying $12, paying benefits and paying for education.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Economies work from the bottom up and never the top down. The more money people have, the more money they can spend, and thus the more goods and services they can buy, and thus the more demand there is, and thus the more supply there will be.

This has been my argument for years. If you want a strong economy have a strong middle class...they're the ones with the disposable income.

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