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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 49 points 1 month ago

I let my players make checks: "what would my character know in this situation?" History roll. Me as DM: "your character would have gone to kindergarten and learned the number 2"

[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I wish it was e, so it could be true.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

M is 1000 in Latin, or 8 if you convert from binary, which is 3+3+2, and as we all know 3 ~ π, so M is ~ 2+2π = 2(1+π), and we all know that π goes to 0, for small values of π, leaving us with M = 2. So, Fry was right.

[–] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It would be d...

O n e a n D T h r e e 1 2 3 4 5 6 5 4 3 2 1

Or not including one and three

It's between one and three, not Including one or three

"And"

Or "N"

[–] officermike@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

The natural number e is approximately 2.71828, thus would be between 1 and 3.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Had a puzzle thrown at me by my DM this weekend.

I have scales but no wings, I guard treasure, precious things. Though I breathe no flame or fire, My riddles stir minds to inquire. What am I?

!a book!<

He admitted it was written by ai. I did not guess correctly.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't have either. At least partially because I have no idea what scales have to do with books.

[–] BobbyGasoline@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Right? Throw in a "I have spine, but no arms or legs. Sometimes, I have dog ears."

[–] pawsplay@dice.camp 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@zaph @Stamets It should be "a bank." People make bank inquiries. Traditionally they have scales to measure precious materials. They of course guard treasure and precious things.

[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's what I was thinking at first, but since when do banks have riddles? Though maybe in-universe riddles are considered top of the line security.

[–] pawsplay@dice.camp 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@Archpawn A passcode is a riddle. A lock is a riddle. The unknown contents of a vault are a riddle.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'm pretty sure a riddle is a bunch of glowing question mark-shaped trophies scattered randomly across a city.

[–] reinei@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Well ever set a password or pin or security question for a bank? You might be able to construe these as riddles...

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 month ago

Books have.... Scales? What?

AI sucks at creativity

What kind of scaley books does your DM have?

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The ghost of a scholarly dragon. No flame because dead but still being inscrutable with people

[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why does it have scales but no wings? Also, lots of living dragons don't have flame and breathe lightning, acid, poison, or cold instead.

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's a good point. Maybe it's a living green drake.

[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

But they have wings. Maybe it's a kobald that likes riddles.

[–] kyonshi@dice.camp 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

@zaph @Stamets ai just doesn't do those relations that well. It knows how riddles are supposed to look like, but I doubt it can do the mental leap between questions and answers

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AI doesn't have a mind to do mental leaps, it only knows syntax. Just a form of syntax so, so advanced that it sometimes accidentally gets things factually correct. Sometimes.

[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's more advanced than just syntax. It should be able to understand the double meanings behind riddles. Or at the very least, that books don't have scales, even if it doesn't understand that the scales that a piano has aren't the same as the ones a fish has.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It doesn't understand anything. It predicts a word based on previous words - this is why I called it syntax. If you imagine a huge and vastly complicated series of rules about how likely one word is to follow up to, say, 1000 others... That's an LLM.

[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It can predict that the word "scales" is unlikely to appear near "books". Do you understand what I mean now? Sorry, neural networks can't understand things. Can you make predictions based on what senses you received now?

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well given that an LLM produced the nonsense riddle above, obviously it cannot predict that. It can predict the structure of a riddle perfectly well, it can even get the rhyming right! But the extra layer of meaning involved in a riddle is beyond what LLMs are able to do at the moment. At least, all of them that I've seen - they all seem to fall flat with this level of abstraction.

[–] Archpawn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

It shows that one failed that time. I just asked ChatGPT. I can't be sure how original the riddle is. It's possible it copied the description of the double meaning from somewhere. But it looks like it understood it, and based on how LLMs work, there's no reason it shouldn't.

Make an original riddle. Explain the double meaning behind it.

Riddle: I hold many keys, yet open no doors. I sing without voice, yet keep perfect scores. Though I’m struck, I never feel pain; What am I, in sun or rain?

Answer: A piano.

Explanation of Double Meaning:

Literal Interpretation
    “Hold many keys, yet open no doors” refers to the piano's keyboard, which holds musical keys instead of physical keys for doors.
    “Sing without voice, yet keep perfect scores” alludes to how a piano produces sound through musical notes (without a voice) and follows written scores (musical notation).
    “Though I’m struck, I never feel pain” describes how piano strings are struck by hammers to create sound, but, of course, the piano doesn’t feel.

Play on Words
    Keys are often associated with doors, but here, they reference musical notes.
    Scores traditionally refer to results or outcomes, but in this context, they represent musical compositions.
    Struck typically implies being hit and possibly feeling pain, yet here, it refers to the mechanical action within a piano that produces music.

Each line has a figurative layer connected to musical terms, creating a double meaning based on the dual use of “keys,” “scores,” and “struck.”

[–] SaintWacko@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 month ago
[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was guest-DMing. After 1 person hilariously failed a challenge that another player came up with a completely different solution, they were presented with a thick stone door. On the door was 5 markers. On each marker was a different symbol...a flame, a bolt of lightning, a snowflake, skull and another I cant recall maybe a star.

The person who hilariously failed the first challenge kept trying to push the markers with their bare hands, and each time I said "nothing happened", so she tried a different one, tried pushing it harder, tried pushing 2 at a time, tried hitting it with her weapon, which I asked if it was magical and she said so, then kept trying the same thing over and over again. She kept talking over everyone and I even think she said "this puzzle is stupid". I was seconds from scream "look at the symbols" when someone took a swing at it with their radiant sword that things started clicking into place in their heads. The dumb one then tried using a level 2 fire spell and I think let out an audible groan.

In advance I made sure all players had cantrips of these particular damage types while building this puzzle and she wants to use a level 2 spell. For reference she's an OP druid (because she cheats on all her rolls), has a higher AC than our barbarian and more HP than our paladin, yet considers herself "squishy" and stays in the back peaking out behind cover to shoot with a crossbow, and takes it as a personal attack that everyone hates her if any enemy does damage to her.

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago

Sooooo whos dick was she sucking to be allowed to keep playing

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

🎼 Counting all the numbers of the alphabet!