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"You're threatening to ruin the entire industry with nickel-and-dime horseshit that only has to sell to a fraction of players to outweigh how angry it makes everyone else."
"Yeah but a big enough fraction bought it to outweigh how angry you are, so there."
No Bruce, the people that complained simply stopped buying and playing Bethesda made games. The people who bought that stuff are different people.
I've kept buying their games (not Starfield though), but I never purchased any of these things. I also never purchased all of the DLCs for FO4 or even Skyrim IIRC. They just never seemed worth buying. I'll buy stuff if they make stuff worth buying, but I've become so jaded by them that I have to think really hard about it and I assume it won't be worth it at this point.
Sssoooooo… they can’t fathom that the millions that bought it aren’t the same people as the tens of millions that made fun of it?
How do these people run companies?
The issue is they didnt need the tens of millions to buy it they only needed the millions that did buy it to make bank and not care
By selling more stuff, not by making better games.
The people who pushed back against it, like myself, didn't buy the damn thing lol
Game sells millions of copies, but only a few tens of thousands of people online publicly spoke out about it. 🙄 Even in the largest spaces, the majority of us in forums and social media are barely a blip in the total number of people playing and buying things in the game.
People who evaluate things with a critical eye, and are willing to push back or act differently because of their evaluations are a miniscule minority among the masses. This is true for all areas, not just gaming.
Nesmith said he no longer remembers the exact sales figures for the add-on, but he remembers it being a lot. "It must have been in the millions, it had to be millions," he said.
So... No accounting for how many of these sales came from bundles/GOTY editions, and we are just going off his memory of the sales numbers?
Great reporting, this really vindicated Horse Armor's legacy...
Yeah I had the GOTY edition with shivering isles etc, but if it came with the horse armor I have no memory of it. I certainly didn't buy it with horse armor in mind. I'd like to know if that was included in the figures.
We know pretty damn well that people buy cosmetics though, especially in the current gaming landscape. So he's right, and we all lost something important here
Did you expect him to put in a request for that information with their archive accounting department for transactions from 18 years ago? Come on, man!
I mean, if you asked me something like that about our system's sales, I'd have an answer for you in a few minutes. But then, I'm BI and not Accounting, so I'm probably more proficient at pulling aggregated data straight from the archive DB.
I didn't expect him to do anything. But does he expect anecdotal evidence provided without context to change my mind on horse armor? Come on man!
'You're all making fun of it and yet you buy it'
No, those are two different groups. Gamers (tm) are not a monolithic block. Some like it, some hate it, some in between. To lump that all together is moronic.
Yes, and the most outspoken Gamers™ represent a minority. There's a reason studios don't pander to them.
Most Outspoken Gamers^tm^ nowadays don't even play the games they're being outspoken about. Look at all the clowns calling Ghost of Yotei "woke" for having a female protagonist when Tsushima already had multiple female warriors.
Outspoken Gamers™ are not a monolithic block either. That's the funny thing about people.
It was included with the game of the year edition, I wonder if that factors into the sales
Truly a watershed moment for the enshittification of microtransactions
That was one of the earliest console DLCs. They came out of the gate shitty.
That's a bad omen for TEVI
Yep. The type of people buying the horse armor are not the people who are complaining about what it means for a full priced game to have such and and the direction that pointed the company in. Given this is what he is talking about now, and not how they have lost their way and are working on delivering solid experience for players, unlike their last games, is telling.
But, I lost all hope for TES6 to be good when Starfield came out. Maybe I'll be wrong, hopefully I'll be wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
I'm running on the hope that Starfield was meh because they secretly have the majority of staff working on TES6 or that they rushed it because they're working on new engine.
I can dream
It is public knowledge this isn't the case. Nearly the full team was on Starfield, with maybe a handful of people at most working on pre-production of TESVI.
That's why I said secretly
Maybe in five years, if (and only if) they keep working on it like No Man's Sky, then maybe Starfield might be redeemed.
But they've already fucked up by making the DLC paid. Until the game is playable, they should be reinvesting their original sales income. Otherwise they burn all the good will.
The game is very much playable, I have sunk 200+ hours into it and still have very much fun playing it. Not every game has to be for everyone.
Very true. I went in with perhaps unrealistic expectations and didn't enjoy the gameplay loop. When I enjoy a game, I really enjoy a game, with several titles having 1000+ hours.
Someone needs to introduce Bethesda to Markov chain based storytelling if they're going to use procedural generation. Anyway, I digress. I'm looking forward to Outer Worlds 2 ;)
I did not buy it, but thanks for introducing the cancer of microtransactions you jackass!
I stopped buying their trash after fallout 4 which was a decent game but kinda dated when it came out.
They keep trying to milk that formular while others moved forward
the entire base building system in 4 feels like a mod rather than part of the actual game.
That honestly is being too generous. I'd say it feels like an incomplete mod, because I usually have to add a mod to actually make the settlement system worth interacting with.
It certainly felt very tacked on. I never enjoyed having to interact with it, nor did it add anything to the story.
People asked for it and Todd gave it to them 🤡
it’s giving “molyneux” in the worst way
Didn't Xbox ask Bethesda to charge 10 as they were already selling themes for about that much?