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It wouldn't hurt to bring this up the next time someone tells you Trump is an anti-war candidate.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 86 points 1 month ago (2 children)

there are rooms full of rich men looking to start ww3 so they can profit from it. trump is just parroting their desires

the us military budget literally never gets lowered even when they ask for it. but education, healthcare, anything helping human beings is always on the chopping block... always be cut back.

[–] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago

I don't know about lowering military budget or education or healthcare budgets at all. The key seems to be the control what those funds are spent on, to funnel them to industries and beneficiaries who support the people who get voted into office.

I truly think the great majority of policy is set based on quid pro quo.

Even anti-abortion has many economical opportunities. Morning after pills will spike. Neighboring state abortion clinics will explode in business. Labor in areas where abortions by the poors is not available will see a growing demand in baby products and immediately and eventually a very low cost labor base to manufacture goods to sell elsewhere.

I do not believe politicians are dumb, on the contrary I think they have no sense of morality. The leadership of the party are vicious sociopathic megalomaniacs. They are experts at propaganda and manipulation via the media, where they work hand in hand with billionaire media owners.

Short and near term financial gains can buy you a ticket to salvation after the planet is ruined in 50-250 years. If they need to buy luxury proprety and loads of ~~slaves~~ servants to retain their standing and quality of life, they are going to do that. If they are afraid of foreign powers taking control they have no issues starting proxy wars via russia or israel so the american people can spend hundreds of billions of dollars funding the military industrial complex contracts that them and their buddies benefit from, meanwhile sending the young high potential competitors to their children or grandchildren off to die on the front line.

Anyway, the last thing they want to do is focus on taking care of the american people. IGMFY is the name of the game. The few rare exceptions like Bernie spin their wheels trying to effect real change and the majority of the other politicians try to stay out of the line of fire while promoting things that benefit themselves, typically only affecting them behind the scenes.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If the Fallout TV show taught me anything, you cannot profit off of the apocalypse. That's literally antithetical to capitalism. That's why they disrespected the lore so much, right?

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

history (aka, reality) proves war to be profitable.

the american economy is incredibly dependent on creating and selling human killing devices. just go read what happens every time they try and cut back on the military-industrial complex.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Proxy wars are profitable. Total war really isn't. Even in history for a war to be profitable, you have to be having the war outside your countries borders. Nukes aren't profitable, and never will be.

I hear what you are saying about the MIC. I also agree with Eisenhower when he said:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Ultimately there's no objective measure of whether "war is profitable". There's no objective definition of war. There's no objective measurement of the "sides" and their profit/loss, much less the nuances of who specifically profits or loses.

But total was is relatively profitable versus being destroyed. And it's absolutely profitable for a select group of people. Most often it's similar people on "both sides" that profit.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Profitable for a select group of people, who should be named, shamed, tarred and feathered.

I believe that if you were to do an economic analysis of the total P/L of the entirety of human conflict, the L column would overwhelmingly outweighs the P column, even leaving out all modern warfare, which just ramps up the L side. I say that because one of my econ professors did just that during a class. He published a paper about it, but I have no clue what it was called, it would have been somewhere between '96 and '98 that he published it.

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[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 85 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I know someone who was born in Palestine (but spent most of his life in the US) who will be voting for Trump because, and these are his words, “I just think he’ll be better”.

Not even worth having the convo.

[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Lmao. Insanity. Man is hella hyped on Russian propaganda. Did he forget about Jerusalem?

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If his version of 'better' involves MOABs and a giant set of smoking craters in the Middle East, then yes. Trump was the one that launched all those tomahawks on that base and assassinated an Iranian general unprovoked, though, so we kind of already know his MO. In addition to dropping that MOAB in Afghanistan.

There's only one choice this fall, and it certainly isn't Trump.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't exactly call that assassination unprovoked. That specific general had led the Quds Force in operations that caused the deaths of hundreds of US soldiers and the injuries of tens of thousands of other soldiers. Then there's the many, many other operations that the Quds Force have engaged in as part of Iran's proxy wars in the region. He definitely earned a spot on the shit list.

Was it a wise decision to target him? I don't know. But he had done plenty to deserve his fate.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

You know they have a big brain because of all the mental gymnastics they do all day, every day

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 64 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Worry about the rest later when my bootlickers and I blame it all on democrats

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago

Ensuing global nuclear catastrophe? Don’t worry about it.

-Orange Dotard

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He talked about using nukes before he got elected, people still voted for him. A trump voter isn't going to be swayed by logic or facts or ethics.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He talked about using Nukes while in office as well. IIRC, "Fire and Fury," was the first threat to NK.

[–] Mammothmothman@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Then Kim Jong Un gave JT the ole "you are a strong man me respect you" ego stroke and suddenly Kim was a nice man.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 1 month ago

About right for the man who had to be told he couldn't nuke a hurricane.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do not follow the orange turds advice.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is it possible to filter post titles that start "trump says"?

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

It is! You can filter keywords in the Lemmy settings

[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

“Where’s the harm in that? I had an Uncle who was very good with the nuclear. One time, he dropped a nuclear bomb, jumped on top of the bomb, and then rode it down through the skies. One of the most beautiful scenes ever seen. Funny guy, my Uncle.” - added Donnie.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

likewise we should remove him from contention and worry about the rest later

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

dude gonna start a nuclear war

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let's start a nuclear war and worry about the rest later.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I've got the concept of a nuclear victory.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

he's not famous for worrying about the consequences of his actions

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Wait, wasn't he the "for peace" candidate?

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago

He is the "I'll tell whatever lie might get people to clap and cheer" candidate.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

That's what he claims.

He claims a lot of things.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"For Peace" for Americans, everyone else can bomb each other to death.

And by 'Americans', he only means those who support him. Those who don't get bombed, too.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

And Project 2025 advocates for mandatory military service. Coincidence?

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

Sounds like Putins plan to take Kyiv within days, and worry about the rest later.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Trump sounds like a tired old man who cannot think of all the consequences of a decision, so he’s just picking the laziest option.

There’s no precedent in history for multiple nuclear powers waging a war, or getting pulled into one. There’s no telling what can happen because we’ve simply never been here before.

And people who think their money or resources will save them from black swan events are forgetting all the previous black swan events which made losers of everyone. The Great Recession and Covid are two most recent ones.

Most of all though, the major winners of WW2 are utter failures now. Britain is crumbling and not even a shell of its former glory, and America is eating itself from the inside out thanks to Russian PsyOps war 300 while Republican losers are salivating after ww3.

So no, ww3 is not going to MAGA, but more like nail the MAGA coffin shut

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