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[–] sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 78 points 1 month ago (3 children)

$82k

Sorry anon I make about 50% more sitting behind a desk and playing Lego with web services

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I literally started learning how to program like months before the whole "AI will take your job on an by the way we don't hire JR devs anymore" so I gave up on it...

I just got to the point where I could consider buying a house months before COVID.

I had thought about joining the military to learn some skills for "free" and graduated highschool exactly when Bush decided Iraq needed to be invaded for ~~oil~~ God knows what reason. Even as a dumb 17 year old I saw right through that and said fuck no.

I completed a trade school 4 months before "the great recession."

If God existed he would be Lucy holding a fucking football and I'm Charlie Brown...

[–] Lord743@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

tell me about your next move?

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 9 points 1 month ago

The service industry is suffering pretty badly at the moment, maybe they can become a server and fast forward us to the point where 70% of restaurants and bars close because one worker can't do the jobs of 4 people. Then after they move on to a new industry we can rebuild the service industry properly.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I'm still trying to figure that one out to be honest. I need to leave the state I'm in if I have any hope for a future that isn't living in someone else's garage.

Also I see your username, you should know what I'm aiming for next so you can screw me! Lol :P

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Do you have any investment advice we could reverse?

[–] odelik@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's a ton of work in green energy and water management.

When Harris wins, there will be even more federal funding being dumped into these sectors. However a ton of that work is either going to be labor intensive or require a specific education (or both).

Also, the software engineering field isn't going to be replaced by AI any time soon (if ever). What will happen is that AI will become a tool of skilled engineers to increase their output efficiency, consistency, and quality.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 2 points 1 month ago

When Harris wins

I wish I had your optimism lol thanks for the suggestions!

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago

Becoming a programmer isn't the gold rush free money wild ride it used to be, but programming skills are 100% still in demand. Lots of companies are pretending that they don't need juniors because something something AI, but that's transient-- Either a) the AI bubble is going to collapse, or b) roles and skillsets are going to shift around until they settle into a new paradigm.

That paradigm might have juniors just like before, or it might look like hybrid "people who code" roles that aren't like traditional full-time developers.

In any case, there's still tons of value in learning to code, and I think it's worth sticking to if you like it.

If you don't particularly like it though, then yeah just bail. The skillset will still be handy, but the career path might be a little unstable for a few years.

Ai bubble won't last. Stick with it my friend. Will agree though its still not a free ride. The job market recently can be rocky especially if you aren't better than average at coding. Suppose the rest of the job market isn't faring fabulously though either

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Welding sounds 50% nicer though. Problem solving, but not head-breaking problems that follow you night and day for weeks on end. And after a project you have a tangible result that is actually generating some kind of value.

When's the last time a web service Lego ever did anything but been a financial black hole for VC funding that actually fails to deliver anything of value to society?

Damn it, I think my cynicism dial got stuck again. Time for bedge.

[–] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He's probably driving around in rural areas though. What's the cost of living at your place? Not Silicon Valley, I hope?

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wherever you feel like living + internet. Most of the IT career fields don't need to be in a physical office unless things go catastrophically wrong.

[–] Trollception@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is there any truth to this comment? Most everyone I know has been forced back to the office within the last couple of years.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Takes some job hunting to find a full remote job, and a willingness to tell an employer to eff off with RTO mandates or you're leaving (and follow through).

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah so you don't have job stability because rto is just one stupid decision away and looking for a other job like the one you had takes a lot of time, which you won't have if you quit over rto.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 75 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

It reads as the background story of the enemy "The Welder" in a horror video game that you would find through scattered notes.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sounds like weak-ass version of Dogwelder to me.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Dogwelder welds dogs to people.

I mean, at least he's aptly named 🤷😄

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sounds like it's up the Amnesia series's alley. Victims are all welded inside a box while alive, and left to die.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 1 month ago

I finished Outlast recently, and it made me think about The Groom who mutilates male patients' sexual attributes to turn them into his ideal wife, but keeps failing and trying again.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

one of the highest workers in demand

A lot of workers are in higher demand, but most of them don't smoke anywhere near as much weed at work.

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's probably why he's not getting paid much. That kind if skilled work is easily in excess of 100k/year

Mostly depends on if you want to do shift work. If you do, easy in most places.

[–] Barzaria@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You have to do your work outside and either standing or kneeling, and it gets hot as hell because of the heat of the welding. Sometimes you're in vessels. It seems miserable. 82K isn't even that much money for the work, in my opinion. Specialty workers can make more but still...

Not to mention 82k isnt the average. There's plenty of work inside but it's still loud, dirty, construction air nasty eating packed lunches on a bucket bullshit. Trade jobs can make you great money... huge caveat being it's only when you're working for yourself.

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Rusty@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Webster's dictionary defines wedding as "the fusing of two metals with a hot torch."

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

that's quite perfect ^^

in German they use the word for assembling 2 big mechanical parts together, like the carriage and the body of a car

I don't know German but i love its penchant for just welding words together seemingly more often than other languages

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

it's the same in English

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[–] SeekPie@lemm.ee 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Doesn't welding fuck up your eyesight when you get older? Maybe that's why it's in demand?

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 84 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Only if you don't use proper shields.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

For real. The number of times I've seen people "weld" without proper eyewear is ridiculous. Mainly "street" techs or "friends" doing work for a quick buck. The ONE I saw recently using PPE was a corporate worker fixing a ladder in a retail store.

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[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (3 children)

And give you a higher chance of getting Parkinson's from the manganese in the welding fumes.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Only if you don't wear a respirator to filter that shit

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well where the fuck do you think we live? America. Ain't nobody getting that shit here.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I wear a respirator while welding, but it’s only really a hobby for me so far. But now I’m curious, which filters actually catch manganese?

I’m usually worried about accounting zinc (on galvanized steel), because it can make you ill for a couple days, unless you drink a glass of safety milk.

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know you said you're just a hobbyist, but a positive air pressure respirator is just the way to go when you're a welder. It's basically an over the head setup that works like those old hazmat suits you'd see in movies. It's got a fan or something blowing in slightly higher pressure air, so none of the air outside can get in as the air is always moving out due to the difference in pressure. What it means is that ALL particulates, gasses, and whatever else you don't want to breathe have no way to get to you unless it somehow gets into whatever is supplying your air.

They make fanny pack sized units with batteries that are mobile, which works for me as I've had to go down in ships and up on scissor lifts to do welding before. I believe they also make slightly bulkier stationary setups that are significantly cheaper but often require other equipment (eg. Specialized compressor) to function. The all in one setup i got is quite expensive (about $2k new) but I managed to find it for quite a bit cheaper used on ebay. I'm comfortable doing this as I've been a welder for 15 years and have experience with quite a few different PAPR systems and am confident in my ability to troubleshoot any problems. If you're completely relying on something like this for safety without really knowing how it works, I'd recommend definitely getting something that comes with a warranty. The parts can be finicky, delicate, and expensive.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Good employers will pay for it or provide it, even in the US.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I have literally never seen a welding mask with either a built-in respirator or enough room in front of the mouth/nose to accommodate a separate one. Do such things even exist?

[–] LordGimp@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Are you serious? PAPR systems have been around forever. I've seen old setups that are fitted to use pressurized air from compressors. Just don't forget to trap the line or you're gonna get real oily and moist real fast.

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[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Just looked it up and N95-P100 masks/respirators cover most exposure that welding should create. I’m a hobbyist welder, but wear a P100 respirator 95% if the time (100% indoors).

From NIOSH:

RESPIRATOR RECOMMENDATIONS

NIOSH

Up to 10 mg/m3
(APF = 10) Any particulate respirator equipped with an N95, R95, or P95 filter (including N95, R95, and P95 filtering facepieces) except quarter-mask respirators. The following filters may also be used: N99, R99, P99, N100, R100, P100. 
Click here for information on selection of N, R, or P filters.
(APF = 10) Any supplied-air respirator

Up to 25 mg/m3
(APF = 25) Any supplied-air respirator operated in a continuous-flow mode
(APF = 25) Any powered, air-purifying respirator with a high-efficiency particulate filter.

Up to 50 mg/m3
(APF = 50) Any air-purifying, full-facepiece respirator with an N100, R100, or P100 filter. 
Click here for information on selection of N, R, or P filters. 

(APF = 50) Any supplied-air respirator that has a tight-fitting facepiece and is operated in a continuous-flow mode
(APF = 50) Any powered, air-purifying respirator with a tight-fitting facepiece and a high-efficiency particulate filter
(APF = 50) Any self-contained breathing apparatus with a full facepiece
(APF = 50) Any supplied-air respirator with a full facepiece

Up to 500 mg/m3
(APF = 1000) Any supplied-air respirator operated in a pressure-demand or other positive-pressure mode

Emergency or planned entry into unknown concentrations or IDLH conditions:
(APF = 10,000) Any self-contained breathing apparatus that has a full facepiece and is operated in a pressure-demand or other positive-pressure mode
(APF = 10,000) Any supplied-air respirator that has a full facepiece and is operated in a pressure-demand or other positive-pressure mode in combination with an auxiliary self-contained positive-pressure breathing apparatus

Escape:
(APF = 50) Any air-purifying, full-facepiece respirator with an N100, R100, or P100 filter. 
Click here for information on selection of N, R, or P filters. 

Any appropriate escape-type, self-contained breathing apparatus\

Important additional information about respirator selection

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Up to 500 mg/m3

I kinda want to know how thick that smoke looks

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think it splits hydrogen off of water molecules too, so if it’s at all humid in there, it might be explosive too.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Manganese does not split hydrogen from water molecules. I think you might have it mixed up with magnesium, which does but not at a high enough rate to release an explosive amount even if it's liquid water and solid magnesium.

Sodium and lithium do release enough hydrogen to be explosive and enough heat to ignite it when they are solid in liquid water, but I suspect the gases wouldn't do that. The density is way lower, and if it does prefer stripping hydrogen from water molecules to just pairing up with the the O2 ones (some reading suggests that this is the case for solid sodium exposed to air), I bet the recently freed hydrogen will take that heat and just join up with the free O2 itself before it has a chance to build up. And the source would also be more spread out, so there wouldn't be any reason for a high concentration to form even if the hydrogen doesn't react immediately with O2 in the vicinity.

Not that welding isn't an explosive risk, but it's usually due to the tanks used directly by the welding and/or explosive/accelerant materials in the vicinity of the weld.

If someone offers you $80k to weld their fertilizer tank because it's too full and they want to add an extension, politely decline and consider avoiding the general area until after it explodes.

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[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Just play chess on your free time to balance it oot :^)

[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wile Coyote was never quite the same after his final divorce. He found Rebecca with the roadrunner.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

if youre not lovin the arc youre doing it wrong

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