Bosnia does have a 12 mile coastline
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The reason it exists is so bizarre too. It stems from the rivalry between the republics of Venice and Ragusea (modern day Dubrovnik). Venice was gradually asserting control over more and more of the Adriatic coastline and Ragusea didn't much fancy sharing a land border with its rival, so it just gave up one tiny stretch of land each to its north and south to the Ottoman Empire. Venice would therefore have to come by sea or risk angering the Ottomans. Eventually Austria manages to annex the Dalmatian territory of both Venice and Ragusea, but the Ottomans still held those two tiny strips of land. The Ottomans were not typically on the best of terms with Austria, and they held on to the two tiny bits of Adriatic coast up until the treaty of Berlin in 1879. By this point, Neum (the Bosnian one) had been part of Ottoman Bosnia for 179 years, so the borders were pretty damn entrenched, and they survived through the shifts to Austrian, Yugoslav, and eventually independent Bosnian-Herzegovinan political structures. So a petty but clever move of hiding behind a bigger empire in the 1600s created the tiny bit of Bosnian coastline today.
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I half expected this comment to end with "in nineteen ninety eight when the undertaker threw mankind off hеll in a cell, and plummeted sixteen feet through an announcer's table"
But it has to share it with Herzegovina, so more like 6 miles for Bosnia and 6 miles for Herzegovina
That's in Newtonian cartography. In quantum cartography, all 12 miles are in superposition.
In Gaussian Cartography nobody knows which coastline is which.
In Aristotelian geography, the coastline is infinitely divisible.
Neum is actually in Herzegovina but whatever. It's inside a bay that Croatia controls from both sides, and in fact has a bridge over. If B&H got naughty again, they could turn it into a lake just by dumping enough clay from the bridge.
sad Bolivia noises
That part of Chile is almost 100 miles of desert. Croatia is only like 10-20 miles wide in that area!
There's also a mountain range separating Chile from its neighbors.
South American countries:
It would be nice if we could expand ocean to ocean like our northern neighbors .
Chile:
NO
I once stayed in an AirBnB north of Dubrovnik. Driving through Bosnia for 20 minutes and doing 4 passport controls at a time was a real pain. Also had to be careful to switch off data roaming as the towers weren’t in the EU so the data charges went through the roof.
They now built a bridge that allows drivers to avoid the border checks by staying in Croatia
Isnt that the bridge china sponsored?....
85% of the funding was provided by the European Union. It was one of Croatia’s main stipulations for joining the EU.
A Chinese state owned company did win the contract to build the bridge.
Ahh ok sorry i remembered wrong then. Still kinda sus but not a huge red flag like getting the funding from them.
What the hell is "sus" about that?
There are three main concerns that arise from awarding construction contracts to ccp-owned companies.
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The companies tend to have incredibly poor safety and environmental safety standards, and there are lots of cases of them not following the local law.
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Quality concerns. While these companies often offer by far the cheapest deals, there is a decent quality tradeoff.
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Removing pretty much any economic benefit construction brings from the local population. (jobs, contracts, material orders).
(and a bonus problem you’re literally sending money to a government who oppresses its own people, genocides its uyghur population, has wet dreams about invading its neighbours, and is an all-round authoritarian dictatorship).
I mean all of that is true, but, speaking as someone from Croatia - we don't follow safety standards and regulations here anyway even with native workers, the quality of the bridge would definitely not be any better had Croats built it, and I doubt there even is the adequate workforce and know-how within Croatia that would be needed for such a massive and complex job. I would unironically expect the deadlines to be breached by several years had the job been given to a local company. We also aren't a rich country by European standards, so the price was probably a crucial factor.
In case you're worrying about general Chinese influence on Croatian politics, that's not really a problem, our govt is strongly pro-EU (for better and for worse), as well as much of the population.
So?
You know its never good when the us or china sponsor infrastructure. They always want something back that is not money. Usually its intelligence but you never know. There are plenty of examples of african countries "getting helped" and it turns out it was so they could be spied on.
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How is that science?
You might have heard of a branch of science called geography
Is geography science? I thought it, especially the country side of it was politics
Geography is definitely science.
From Wikipedia:
Geography is the study of the lands, features, inhabitants, and phenomena of Earth. Geography is an all-encompassing discipline that seeks an understanding of Earth and its human and natural complexities—not merely where objects are, but also how they have changed and come to be.
Yeah but this seems more like geopolitics, it's about country borders not natural geography
What I think you mean by "natural geography" is just one part of the field. Urban / economic geography (regional dynamics, housing policy, tourism geography, population analysis) and Historical / Social geography (historical urban geography, homelessness, migration, etc) Are big parts of the field of geography. Most of modern geography is interested in both the physical (more geology, climate, biomes, etc) and human aspects, and how they interact.
it's* about
Oh no not it's no tits
Geopolitics is "The study of the relationship among politics and geography, demography, and economics, especially with respect to the foreign policy of a nation," and in that vein is also a science.
Where I went to university the geography faculty were part of the Earth Science department. It formed a really interdisciplinary department, there was work being done, for example, in “health geography” — applying population & ecological studies, community health research, and epidemiology to understand disparities. Urban geography like was mentioned strives to understand of the role of cities in regional, national, and international developments but also how cities operate through governance and administration, the role of philanthropic institutions and NGOs, gentrification etc.
Tomorrow I'm gonna start reposting greentext@sh.itjust.works content on here and justifying it as anthropology.
I swear this happens to every science meme group. Just devolves into general memes about anything. It's especially bad when the only active mod is the one doing it.
Well zero coastline is even shorter than these two for sure ;) But even if we ignore the trivial cases and small islands, Wikipedia lists Gibraltar as having shorter coastline.
They actually gave a small bit of land so croatia actually has a exclave.
Pain in the arse if you're staying in Split and do a day trip to Dubrovnik. You pass thru customs and immigration twice in the space of 100 meters and 2 hours.
Yeah, depends on the route you take tho. Also bosnia is really beautiful and kinda underrated.
I mean they did try to genocide them a few years later so.....
Weren't the Bosnians and Croatians more or less on the same side during the Yugoslav wars?
It's sort of a Missouri during the civil war situation.
The official militia presence of Croatia joined with serboans and created a militia.... And the exact same thing happened on the other side. (VJ, HVO)
It was more a religious issue than nationality.
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